I did show the shabtis in a local museum (not a bad one :-)).
The expert on the classical period said the shabtis would look fine to
him, except for that painted one (no.4 in my list below).
However, he was an expert on the classical period, not an egyptologist.
Regards
Matthias
--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, Niek De Haan
<niekandelvis@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Matthias,
>
> Tourist fakes have been in Egypt since the 1920's. Even the famous
Blanchards has been selling fakes in the 1920 even though he was an
authorised dealer for the cairo museum.
>
> I stick with my previous view. i recommend that you show the shabtis
to a local museum for confirmation and then a possible refund for the
likely fake pieces.
>
> Cheers,
> Niek
>
> www.shabticollections.com
>
>
> To: Ancientartifacts@...: ankauf@...: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:34:20
+0000Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Collection of Ushabtis
>
>
>
>
> Hi, first of all, thanks for the answers. Finally, I come up with
somemore information on the figures and hope to hear your opinion
again. All Figures have originally been acquired in the 1970ies. I can
beabsolutely sure about this. The person I have the pieces from has
beencollecting artefacts for some decades. So the pieces won't be
boughtdirectly at a tourist market in Egypt. 1. Figurinedon't know
where bought. Described as dancer and "Concubine du mort"2.
Figurinedon't know where bought. Described as "Concubine du mort"Dated
745-332 BC3. Figurinebought from auctionhouse Ruef in munich in the
70ies. Described as "Uachib - Re"4. Figurinebought from auctionhouse
Ruef in munich in the 70ies. Dated ca. 700 v.Chr.5. Figurinedon't know
where bought and have no further description. regardsMatthias--- In
Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "Dik van Bommel"<dikencis@> wrote:>>
> Hi Matthias,> > I have big doubts too, don't know enough about the
female figures sothat they are wrong is only a feeling on basis of
shape and faience.> > The first LP ushabti Wa-ibra-sa-Neith looks
fine, but I wonder wereI have seen this before.> > The TIP is fake,
wrong faience, shape, glyph's, etc.> > The last LP is impressive but
has all the characteristics of the newfakes with the burned structure.
These are old Sadigh fakes reworked.The glyph's between the hand are
not very common and I can't givethumbs up.> > Sorry for the bad news.>
> Can you tell us were you bought these artefact's?> > Carpe diem,>
Dik> > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----> Van: Niek De Haan> Aan:
ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com> Ontvangen: maandag 3 maart 2008
22:16> Onderwerp: RE: [Ancientartifacts] Collection of Ushabtis> > > >
> Hi,> > I have problems with the authenticity of more than one i am
afraid,the first to "female figurines" do not look like anything i
have seenpublished before and appear tourist fakes to me.> > Third one
looks genuine, Late Period (Beard, back pillar, incisedglyphs et
cetera), for Wa-ib-ra (mery sa?)> > Fourth, fake too, supposedly Tip
period but shape is wrong, faiencetoo and the glyphs.> > Fifth piece i
am not sure of, Late Period style, glyphs okay, shapeokay, faience
okay for as far as cs be seen on the photos, benefit ofthe doubt. Dik
what is your view?> > Cheers,> Niek> > www.shabticollections.com> > >
To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com> From: ankauf@> Date: Mon, 3 Mar
2008 06:18:31 +0000> Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Collection of
Ushabtis> > > > > Hi group, > > I would like to present 3 Ushabtis and
2 female figurines to you and> hope to receive some help in assigning
an Egyptian period to them. > > Find them here: >
http://www.thegreatcollection.de/ushabtis/> > Can someone help and
point out characteristic features of the> pieces that help to place
them in a timeline and maybe tell something> about their use? > The
painted Ushabti for example. Might it be a priest or a guardian? > >
Has anyone an idea about the female figurines? > They could be
goddesses or concubines. I can't find a hint to what> they were used
for. The fact that they are not depicted very> erotically does not
support the concubine thesis. What about the long> arms? Have "normal
people" been portrayed like that when long armed> statues were a
fashion in Egypt? > > Also, I am not sure about authenticity of one of
the figurines. Maybe> someone of you has got the same feeling :-)> > I
appreciate any help I will get and hope to stir up some discussion
:-)> Matthias> > > > Blijf onderweg online met Windows Live for
Mobile! Download 't nu opjouw mobiele telefoon.>
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