Many thanks for all the information.
I just got round to looking at the pdf files you uploaded with the
makers marks and names. I had no idea there would be so many, and
such diversity - another really interesting dimension! I especially
like the feet - Q3104 stands out - (No pun intended!).
Regards,
Dave
--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, Roger Seganti <ilaroger@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Dave
> some time ago I loaded up in the files section some Pdf files
with a few Marker/Potters names and Iconography found on Oil lamps,
from Bailey's 3 Volumes and a few other catalogues. The direct links
to the Pdf files usually don't work, so if you go in the files
section you can find the 7 Pdf files with the titles Marks &
Inscriptions ....
>
> Quite a few catalogues publish and give importance to Potters
signatures and iconography on oil lamps. Some studies on the actual
workshops can be sometimes found in single excavation reports, I have
a few titles stored on another PC, I'll see if I can look them up.
>
> The BM catalogues also give some good information on workshop
locations.
>
> In my opinion a another good book that catalogues potters names
on firmlampe is this;
> Ezio Buchi 1975
> Lucerne del Museo di Aquileia: "Roman Oil lamps from the Aquileia
Museum"
> Vol 1.
> Lucerne Romane con Marchio di Fabbrica: "Roman Oil Lamps with
Trademark"
> 240 pages + 7 Charts + 142 pages B&W photographs (about 420
lamps photographed top and bottom)
> In Italian.
>
> It catalogues 1850 "Firmalampe" with these trademarks, and where
possible; variants of trademark, factory location, parallels.
>
> AGILIS-AGIVS-ANNEI-C.ANNEI-APOLAVSTI-APRIO-ATIMETVS-BAEBIANI-
BASSVS-M.C.A.-CAMPILI-CAS-CASSI-CIIPIIRIIIVS-CERANI-CERIALIS-CERINTHI-
COELI-COMES-COMMVNIS-CRESCESCVSPI-CYAERI-L.D.P-DECIMI-DEMETRI-
DEOGENES-C.DESSI-DONATVS-EVCARPI-C.FADI-FAVOR-FELICIO-FELIX-FESTVS-
FIDELIS-FORTIS-FRONTO-Q.G.C-GAIVS-GAVIANI-T.GELLI-M.I.A-IANVARI-
IEGIDI-INVENTVS-C.IVL.SEC-L.L.C-LITOGENES-LVCIVS-LVPATI-LVPVS-
MENANDER-MODESTVS-MVRRI-L.NARI-NERI-NICEPOR-OCTAVI-OPTATI-PASTOR-
PAVLINI-PHOETASPI-PREPONIS-PROBVS-PROCLI-PVLLI-RVFIN-SABINI-STVRNINI-
SERENI-SEXTVS-STROBILI-TANAIS-THALLI-THESAEI-TITI-M.V.A-VERECVNDI-
VERI-VETTI-VIBIANI-VIBIVS-VIBVLE-VICTOR-VOVSI-VRSIO-C.P.S.F-G.P.R.F-
L.SP.AM-PART-PAC.PRISCVS-PRISCVS
>
>
>
> Regards
> Roger
>
> Dave Millington <dnm@...> ha scritto: Roger, et al,
>
> Wow! That should keep me going for a bit! Thank you all very much!
>
> Just one other thing that I didn't really think of was the notion
of
> maker's marks and/or workshops. Is this something that has been
> studied, or published?
>
> Again, many thanks for all your help,
>
> Dave
>
> --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, Roger Seganti <ilaroger@>
> wrote:
> >
> > PS
> >
> > This Museum Catalogue (In Italian) on Greek pottery from Southern
> Italy.
> > http://www.lerma.it/D_SchedaF.asp?ID=66794
> >
> > In the last 40 pages the Oil lamps of the collection have been
> catalogued.
> >
> > BTW some nice reference photos of Apulian, Daunian and Messapian
> Pottery and Terracottas.
> >
> > The catalogue can be downloaded FREE here. Just click
> on "catalogo in Pdf"
> > http://www.sirm-fvg.org/content/cont_d.asp?
> CSez_ID=MAPPE&Cont_ID=475
> >
> > All the best
> > Roger
> >
> >
> > Roger Seganti <ilaroger@> ha scritto:
> > Dear Dave
> >
> > The Isthmia book has a good coverage of Classical Greek,
> Hellenistic, Roman Imperial and some late Roman and Early Christian
> Lamps.
> >
> > Also Broneer's other book is a classical study on Greek lamps it
> also covers, Hellenistic, Roman, Early Christian and Byzantine
Lamps
> from the Corinth excavations.
> >
> > BRONEER Oscar. 1930
> > American School of Classical Studies at Athens.
> > Corinth: Volume IV part II
> > Terracotta Lamps.
> > English.
> > Pages 340. Plates 33 B&W.
> > Good chronological study on Greek lamps
> >
> >
> > This book can be also found on the web at reasonable prices, it
> is small but chronologically well written.
> >
> > SZENTLELEKY Tihamer. 1969
> > Ancient Lamps
> > English
> > Pages 158 Plates 78 B&W.
> > 289 Lamps Studied from the Hungarian Collections.
> >
> > I don't know which Athenian Agora book you purchased maybe
> Perlzweig's booklet ?? anyway if you or a friend have a
> Institutional/University access these are excellent book that cover
> Greek and Roman Lamps from the Athenian Agora. PS remember to
> download in High resolution, if not the plates are just about un
> viewable.
> >
> > HOWLAND R.H. 1958
> > American School of Classical Studies at Athens.
> > The Athenian Agora Volume IV.
> > Greek Lamps and Their Survivals.
> > English.
> > Pages 252. Plates 56 B&W.
> > http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=1558-8610%281958%294%3Cii%
> 3AGLATS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-F
> > or
> > http://tinyurl.com/2kcplv
> >
> > PERLZWEIG Judith. 1961
> > American School of Classical Studies at Athens.
> > The Athenian Agora Volume VII.
> > Lamps of the Roman Period.
> > Pages 239. Plates 53 B&W.
> > http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=1558-8610%281961%297%3Cii%
> 3ALOTRPF%3E2.0.CO%3B2-O
> >
> > or
> > http://tinyurl.com/39cj9r
> >
> > GRANDJOUAN C. 1961
> > American School of Classical Studies at Athens.
> > The Athenian Agora Volume VI.
> > Terracottas and Plastic Lamps of the Roman Period.
> > English.
> > Pages 106. Plates 33 B&W.
> > http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=1558-8610%281961%296%3Ciii%
> 3ATAPLOT%3E2.0.CO%3B2-T
> > or
> > http://tinyurl.com/2pqgax
> >
> > This volume of Bailey's catalogues has a 30 page chapter on
> Reproductions and Forgeries with about 15 Plates.
> >
> > BAILEY D.M. 1988
> > Catalogue of the Lamps in the British Museum. Volume III.
> > Roman Provincial Lamps.
> > English.
> > Pages 560. Plates 160 B&W.
> >
> > All the above books are excellent reference books.
> >
> > For the North African area I can also suggest these books.
> >
> > DENEAUVE Jean 1969
> > Lamps de Carthage.
> > French
> > Pages 238 Plates 111 B&W
> > 1154 North African Lamps catalogued
> >
> > ENNABLI Abdelmajid. 1976
> > Lampes chrétiennes de Tunisie
> > Musées du Bardo et de Carthage
> > French
> > Pages 255 Plates 69 B&W
> > 1266 Lamps Studied an excellent study on iconography.
> >
> > JOLY Elda. 1974
> > Lucerne del Museo di Sabratha.
> > Italian.
> > Pages 223. Plates 60 B&W.
> > Good study on 1340 North African Lamps.
> >
> > PONSICH Michel. 1961
> > Les Lampes Romaines en Terre Cuite de la Mauretanie Tingitane.
> > French
> > Pages 132 Plates 34 B&W.
> > 537 Lamps Catalogued
> >
> > BARBERA Mariarosaria, PETRIAGGI Roberto. 1993
> > Le lucerne tardoantiche di produzione africana
> > Museo Nazionale Romano
> > Italian.
> > Pages 434 Plates B&W and some Color Plates.
> > 296 Late North African Lamps Studied. In Italian but an excellent
> study with colour plate "rare to find on catalogues of Ancient
Lamps."
> >
> >
> > Another very good study on the Iconography of Late Palestine
> Lamps is this book.
> >
> > MODRZEWSKA Marciniak Iowa. 1991
> > Studio Iconologico delle Lucerne
> > Siro.Palestinesi del IV-VII Sec DC.
> > Italian
> > Pages 65, Plates Drawings 35, Plates Lamps 8
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Roger
> >
> > Dave Millington <dnm@> ha scritto:
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> > I've just got a copy of The Anawati Collection from Allan, and
> really
> > enjoying reading through it. There are quite a few lamp types
that
> > I've not seen before.
> >
> > Am I right to assume that most of the surviving or available
lamps
> we
> > know of come from the dryer, sandy soil countries, for example
> Greek
> > and Hellenistic from the Egypt area, Roman from Syria and the
Holy
> > Land?
> >
> > Also, I've seen for the first time a few lamps called "Plastic
> > Lamps", why are they so called, and are they all decretive,
> figurine
> > types?
> >
> > I've just ordered 3 books from Oxbow that are all on sale at the
> > moment, (Excavations at Sidi Khrebish Benghazi, Isthmia
> > III:Terracotta Lamps; and Lamps from the Athenian Agora) and I'm
> > trying to find a copy of Bailey at the library, but I would be
> > interested in knowing more about Petrie's Roman Ehnasya book –
How
> > much coverage of lamps is there, and are many illustrated or
> > photographed?
> >
> > It seems a fascinating field of study, and one that is still open
> to
> > collectors on a budget (that would include me), but finally, I
> would
> > be interested to know if there are any publications that cover
> > fakes? I've seen both the excellent web based romulus2 and
> collector-
> > antiquities, but wondered if there was anything else either web
> based
> > or published?
> >
> > Sorry for all the questions, and many thanks for all of the help!
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Dorney" <ken@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Adler book actually incorporates a lot of information to
the
> > other
> > > references, so I am not sure that you need much else. As you
> might
> > imagine,
> > > most of the museum catalogs don't go too far into the details
but
> > list just
> > > the collection details. If you have any specific volumes you
want
> > comments
> > > on, let me know as I have most of the major references in my
> > library.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > > Kenneth W. Dorney
> > > Classical Numismatist
> > > Since 1988
> > > http://www.coolcoins.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Man has not evolved an inch from the slime that spawned him."
> Mr.
> > Hyde.
> > >
> > > From: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of perluis
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:05 PM
> > > To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Greek & Roman Oil Lamps Books
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Dave:
> > >
> > > I think there is a cheapest solution for some books.
> > >
> > > If you or anybody is interested on it, write me off list at:
> > >
> > > perluis @ yahoo.com (without blanks)
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Luis A. Pérez
> > >
> > > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Ancientartifacts%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dave Millington"
> > <dnm@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm struggling for a not-too-expensive general reference for
> > Greek
> > > and
> > > > Roman Oil Lamps. Does anyone know of any museum collections
> that
> > > have
> > > > been published or have an available catalogue?
> > > >
> > > > I've got Adler - Oil Lamps of the Holy Land which is great
for
> > the
> > > Holy
> > > > Land region but I haven't seen Bailey - BM Catalogue, Hayes -
> > Royal
> > > > Ontario, Rosenthal - Scloessinger, Szentleleky etc. as they
all
> > > seem to
> > > > be $150+
> > > >
> > > > Are any of these worth the extra for a general read?
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.
> > > It has removed 9524 spam emails to date.
> > > Paying users do not have this message in their emails.
> > > Try SPAMfighter
> > > <http://www.download.com/Spamfighter/3000-2382_4-10764780.html>
> > for free
> > > now!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
> > Il servizio di posta con lo spazio illimitato.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
> > Il servizio di posta con lo spazio illimitato.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Inviato da Yahoo! Mail.
> Il servizio di posta con lo spazio illimitato.
>
------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ancientartifacts/
<*> Your email settings:
Individual Email | Traditional
<*> To change settings online go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ancientartifacts/join
(Yahoo! ID required)
<*> To change settings via email:
mailto:Ancientartifacts-digest@yahoogroups.com
mailto:Ancientartifacts-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Ancientartifacts-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
