Ergo,while newbies learn,it takes time ( in particular if
you collect different types of items and/or cultures)
it can be useful to have a good and bad guys list.Only one
would be enough if it contained all good or bad buyers.But
to get to that is almost impossible.
Ramon Saenz de Heredia
In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "JEFF HALLEN"
<jeffhallen001@...> wrote:
>
> It seems to me that it might be better to have a "good list" rather
than a "bad list" since there are so many fakes out there. I seem to
recall we did at one time but haven't seen nor heard about it for
awhile. Wouldn't it make more sense to do this?
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Minor<mailto:relicdigar@...>
> To:
Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.c
om>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:03 AM
> Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Trocadero? sunnytampa
>
>
> I think the blacklist is intended for sellers that routinely and,
> presumably, know they are selling fakes. I never felt sunnytampa
rose
> to this level though his attributions are often optimistic.Tampa
is
> probably a fine place.
>
> --- In
Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.c
om>, "Steve"
> <maximusopinionus@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ancientartifacts%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Minor"
> <relicdigar@> wrote:
> > >Hi Steve / Group.
> > I think I am now ready for the Abide With Me.. Home For The
> Bewildered....
> > The list you send is the new list I downloaded from the group
last
> weekend..
> > The Seller I mentioned is antiquarica .. I have now perused
this
> Blacklist umpteen times
> > but I cannot see him mentioned.. As I didn't see him mentioned
on
> this latest list I
> > placed my winning bid yesterday..
> > I can see the sunnytampa that you spoke about in your earlier
> posting but I thought you
> > had mean't that Tampa was a hotbed of fakers.. and seeing that
> antiquarica's address is
> > Tampa it rang my internal alarm bell.
> > You say you do not understand why he is on a Blacklist as most
of
> his stuff is better than
> > the other blacklist stuff ???? But I thought the idea of the
> Blacklist was to highlight the
> > Fakers, not Sellers whose fakes are better than other Sellers
> fakes..
> > I am not usually this 'thick' but somewhere along the line I
have
> totally lost the thread of
> > this discussion..
> > Guess I should get rid of the Antiquities and just sit here
playing
> with the buttons on my
> > Cardigan.......... lol.
> > Regards Steve S
> > > he is on this one. I never understood why because most of his
> stuff
> > > seems to be a bit better than most of the b lacklist stuff.
> > >
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ancientartifacts/message/41117
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In
Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ancientartifacts%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve"
> > > <maximusopinionus@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Steve & Group.
> > > > As a Newbie I do try and follow the advice given.. My eBay
> > > purchases have fallen
> > > > dramatically and I seem to be spending more time following
> links
> > > posted on this group
> > > > both to view fakes and 'guaranteed' items.I also have the
> latest
> > > Fakers List (many thanks
> > > > Ramon) which has also helped steer me clear of potential
> trouble.
> > > Due to past advice I
> > > > tend to look on Trocadero as being a lot safer than eBay
but
> with
> > > this latest discussion I
> > > > now feel as 'unsafe' as I do on eBay. Last night I
purchased a
> coin
> > > from a Seller called
> > > > Antiquarica who has 4000 feedback and gives a long term
money
> back
> > > guarantee as to
> > > > authenticity.. Now in this latest message Steve, you
mention
> Sunny
> > > Tampa .. where
> > > > antiquarica hails from.. and this Seller is NOT on the
> Blacklist..
> > > Now I am standing here
> > > > not knowing if I am on my 'head or my elbow'. HELP !!
> > > > Regards Steve S..--- In
> Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ancientartifacts%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve
> > > Minor"
> > > > <relicdigar@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I decided to do a quick, highly scientific survey of
> Trocadero.I
> > > > > searched for phallic, Roman, and Viking and somewhat
randomly
> > > chose a
> > > > > page and object and these are the jewels I found:
> > > > >
> > >
>
http://www.trocadero.com/02016/item502016store.html#itemfaganarms/item
<http://www.trocadero.com/02016/item502016store.html#itemfaganarms/ite
m>
> > > > > s/745125/item745125store.html#item
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
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> > > > > item
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
http://www.trocadero.com/archeology/items/754472/item754472.html
> > > > >
> > > > > The Fagan arms Viking iron items sure do look like the
same
> iron
> > > I
> > > > > get from Bulgaria and Germany and I certainly don't call
it
> > > Viking.
> > > > > I also see Sunny Tampa on Trocadero. You all can bet on
95%
> of
> > > the
> > > > > merch on here being real; I will not. Go search "fibula"
> > > or "phallic"
> > > > > and show me the 95% real ones on there.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only protection against buying fakes is to know the
> material
> > > or
> > > > > have a first person relationship with a dealer that
> guarantees
> > > the
> > > > > merchandise. If you depend on a third person entity, like
the
> > > > > Trocadero management or eBay's Safe Harbor, you are in a
very
> > > weak
> > > > > position.
> > > > >
> > > > > And to continously say that 90 - 95% of the antiquities
on
> eBay
> > > are
> > > > > fake is just ridiculous. At this point in time, at least
99%
> look
> > > > > fake to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will be doing the photobucket thing again in a couple
of
> weeks.
> > > > > Hopefully about 125 items if I have the energy. I have a
few
> > > hundred
> > > > > pieces of insignia to get posted and then I will turn my
> > > attention to
> > > > > the artifacts again.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In
Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ancientartifacts%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Brett" <mavebc@>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First of all D_ _ _ - I ain't your "son" - Second - I
sell
> on
> > > both
> > > > > > and I know the difference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ancientartifacts%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Minor"
> > > > > > <relicdigar@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Son,
> > > > > > > I bet I have much more of a clue than you.
> > > > > > > I have been a member of Trocadero a couple of times
and
> on
> > > ebay
> > > > > > since
> > > > > > > the first year. Misrepresentations are common all
over
> > > Trocadero
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > they are anywhere eles but go ahead and jump on
something
> > > just
> > > > > > > because it posted there. good luck.
> > > > > > > SGM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ancientartifacts%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Brett"
> <mavebc@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To compare Trocadero and ebay means you have no
clue.
> Where
> > > > > > > probably
> > > > > > > > upwards of 80% of ebay items can be fake or
> reproduction,
> > > 95%
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > trocadero is a safe bet.
> > > > > > > > Brett
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In
Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ancientartifacts%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Minor"
> > > > > > > > <relicdigar@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Trocadero is no safer than any other site. There
are
> a
> > > lot of
> > > > > > > > > Trocadero dealers on here that will vouch for
> Trocadero
> > > but
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > as much misreresentation on there in the
categories I
> am
> > > > > > familiar
> > > > > > > > > with as on eBay or antwhere else.
> > > > > > > > > I have reported obvious fakes to the site and
never
> got
> > > an
> > > > > > answer
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > result.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ancientartifacts%
40yahoogroups.com>, "niuboy08"
> > > > > <niuboy08@>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm newer to collecting, and I recently
discovered
> > > > > > Trocadero.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > thaught that it would be a more reliable site
> online in
> > > > > > finding
> > > > > > > > > > authentic pieces than that of ebay. And, I
> noticed
> > > one
> > > > > item
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > been classified as fake from collector-
> antiquities.com
> > > and
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > wondering if Trocadero polices itself, or if
its
> more
> > > or
> > > > > less
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > ebay?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Here is the link to the item:
> > > http://tinyurl.com/2fgdlc
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > and to the collector-antiquites page with the
same
> item
> > > (I
> > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > > same picture): http://www.collector-
<http://www.collector-/>
> > > antiquities.com/353/
> > > > > > > > > >
http://tinyurl.com/28l9at
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > Albert
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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