I think the brooch isn't worth 'trying'
regards,
Joost--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, Roger Seganti
<ilaroger@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Renate & Joost
>
> This seller has been selling brooches constantly for awhile not
many roughly lots of about 3-5 every 10 days , he also does some
cleaning and restorations. Sometime back he was presenting quite a
few enamel brooches with retouched colours, very un natural in my
opinion. Usually not many words in his descriptions but always
honest regarding restorations. So I find a little strange this long
introduction a type of "disclaimer note"?
>
> Now the brooch in discussion is not a fantasy piece it is
published and he gives the evidence.
>
> The bow of the fibula is made of iron with inserted bronze
decorations. The catch plate is hammered and shaped and the first
coiling is made towards the catch plate, at this point the bronze
decorations (in other culture and types annular rings or even glass
bead decorations can be found on the bow) are inserted and then the
second coiling that closes the bow with the final shaping/cutting of
the pin terminal.
>
> Archaeological iron is very brittle so it would be impossible to
un coil the spiral near the pin and insert a "modern" bronze
decoration without snapping. Inserted over the bow without un
coiling some sort of cutting/ soldering would be seen on the bronze
decoration. So in my opinion the brooch definitely isn't a hybrid or
real or fake no half half.
>
> I do find the iron very well preserved, maybe to well, The crack
he mentions and points out could be a sign of the brittleness of
iron. From those 2 photos very hard to say, price to high to risk in
my opinion.
>
> Regards
> Roger
>
>
> spambaits42@... ha scritto: Hi Joost,
>
> I owe a more simple one of this type, purchased as 'repaired' and
> looking they way that's described in this auction. I still don't
know
> for sure where the repairs are, but think that everything but the
bow is
> new. The dealer purchased it from the same source as I did IIRC
(sorry,
> can't seem to find the evidence actually), but I didn't pay that
much
> ;D.
>
> Cheers,
> renate
>
> >¨On eBay I found the following Fibula offered by a dealer that
offers
> >¨some more brooches.
> >¨On this one he asks the question : Fake or no fake
> >¨You can find it here
> >¨
> >¨http://tinyurl.com/3273dj
> >¨
> >¨I am very curious about the answers.
> >¨I wouldn't know. The brooch looks well but.... The brooch-patina
seems
> >¨odd (and so much 'sand'). The needle and catchplate are more
convincing
> >¨but also that sand. I would wash or wipe it off and see what's
> >¨underneath.
> >¨I know to little about Greek brooches to have an opinion.
> >¨
> >¨regards
> >¨
> >¨Joost
> >¨
> >¨
>
>
>
>
>
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