Thanks to Star trek I know the melody of that rhyme :).
Some addition on your remarks using the German site about the
'Schiffsfibel':
About the type - it's a Mediterranean transport ship, not a war ship as
the galley types 1, 2 and 4 are.
This is the Neuburg page about the type:
http://www.ingolstadt.de/stadtmuseum/scheuerer/arch/schfib-2.htm
>¨ As you know and mentioned once these shapes are very rare. I think
>¨ only one is documented officially on a website you provided.
>¨
>¨
http://tinyurl.com/ytm8ad
Yes, this site describes the 'Neuburger Schiffsfibel'. Scroll down, and
you'll find drawings of two other ship brooches to compare.
Elisabeth Ettlinger described the first one, which was found in
Petinesca: She thinks it's meaning is religious, and that most of these
fibulae were silvered and were made in the second half of the first
century. None of there were found at the limes. It's design and making
is so close to the Neuburg piece, that they were probably made together.
The second one was found in Zugmantel and has nothing in common with our
piece. It's a galley.
>¨ Some time ago there was a similar one on Ebay.
>¨
http://tinyurl.com/ytn5dc
>¨
>¨ The images
>¨
http://tinyurl.com/3b8bxe
>¨
>¨ It seems authentic by style, size and appearance but the rarity of
>¨ this type leaves me very sceptical. But sold at that price I still
>¨ regret not having bid on it.
Same here :(.
>¨ I don't understand German very well but I believe the Fibula has a 3rd – 5th century dating ? which could suppose maybe a small blacksmith from a local workshop, after seeing the stele created a few examples which could have been traded along the Danube???
>¨
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Donau-Karte.png
>¨ Or the design could be a simple coincidence.
May be. The dating of the "Schiffsfibel von Neuburg" isn't sure. It
seems to be a 'certain probability' that Septimius Severus, Caracalla
and Geta are depicted, which would date it to the year 202. An aureus
released in 202 might have been the brooche's template.
>¨ I think the fibula is also published in " Die Fibeln der Kastelle
>¨ Saalburg und Zugmantel " Astrid Bohme 1972 Saalburg Jahrbuch, 29 p5-112.
Yes.
>¨
>¨ some reference of similar gallery ships can be found on some stone bas-reliefs.
>¨
http://tinyurl.com/3yk3kx
>¨ and a funeral monument of a wine merchant
>¨
http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/cargoship.jpg
>¨ a few coins.
>¨
http://tinyurl.com/ytrk33
>¨
>¨ The closest parallel to Type III,
>¨ (yes a authentic example does exist), is this;
>¨
http://tinyurl.com/37ptno
Hattatt 1417 is a true piece, too; and there is another one in a shop
currently (it's in the latest update of galley.pdf, next one coming
tomorrow).
Cheers,
renate
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