----- Original Message -----From: junioregitoSent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:14 PMSubject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Collection of UshabtisHi People
Regarding old antiquities shops from Cairo and Luxor ...
Someone have a list of them ? Pictures ?Videos? Information ?
Blanchard's , El Shaer , Towdros , Molathan , Assani , etc.
They all were closed with egyptian law 117 in 1983 ...
If information , please , contact me ...
Thank you Melchior
--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "tuppennyblue" <tim@...>com
wrote:
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> Hi Niek
>
> I was just curious, I have seen a few items from Blanchard's and
all have seemed okay. I have a shabti on a wooden block with a
Blanchard's label on the base and a silver necklace with three
scarabs and a Blanchard's COA/receipt and I'm happy enough with those.
>
> Tim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Niek De Haan
> To: ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:06 AM
> Subject: RE: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Collection of Ushabtis
>
>
> Hi,
>
> No, no specific examples, just from various sources, including
Dr. Raven of Leiden museum, i understood that it widely known that
they did sell fakes, whether this even were shabtis i am not sure
although this seems likely. Nevertheless i guess we would immediately
spot their fake shabtis if any.
>
> Cheers,
> Niek
>
> www.shabticollections.com
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> To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. com
> From: tim@...
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:24:29 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Collection of Ushabtis
>
>
> Do you know of specific examples of fakes sold by Blanchard's,
Niek?
>
> The earliest known fake shabti was bequeathed by Archbishop
Laud to the Bodleian Library at Oxford University in 1635 and now
resides in the Ashmolean Museum:
>
>
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/ group/Ancientart ifacts/photos/ view/1789?
b=1&m=f&o=0
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http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/ group/Ancientart ifacts/photos/ view/1789?
b=2&m=f&o=0
>
> Tim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Niek De Haan
> To: ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Collection of Ushabtis
>
>
> Hi Matthias,
>
> Tourist fakes have been in Egypt since the 1920's. Even the
famous Blanchards has been selling fakes in the 1920 even though he
was an authorised dealer for the cairo museum.
>
> I stick with my previous view. i recommend that you show the
shabtis to a local museum for confirmation and then a possible refund
for the likely fake pieces.
>
> Cheers,
> Niek
>
> www.shabticollections.com
>
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> To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. com
> From: ankauf@...
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:34:20 +0000
> Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Collection of Ushabtis
>
>
> Hi,
>
> first of all, thanks for the answers. Finally, I come up
with some
> more information on the figures and hope to hear your
opinion again.
>
> All Figures have originally been acquired in the 1970ies. I
can be
> absolutely sure about this. The person I have the pieces
from has been
> collecting artefacts for some decades. So the pieces won't
be bought
> directly at a tourist market in Egypt.
>
> 1. Figurine
> don't know where bought.
> Described as dancer and "Concubine du mort"
>
> 2. Figurine
> don't know where bought.
> Described as "Concubine du mort"
> Dated 745-332 BC
>
> 3. Figurine
> bought from auctionhouse Ruef in munich in the 70ies.
> Described as "Uachib - Re"
>
> 4. Figurine
> bought from auctionhouse Ruef in munich in the 70ies.
> Dated ca. 700 v.Chr.
>
> 5. Figurine
> don't know where bought and have no further description.
>
> regards
> Matthias
>
> --- In Ancentartifacts@..., "Dik van Bommel"
> <dikencis@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Matthias,
> >
> > I have big doubts too, don't know enough about the female
figures so
> that they are wrong is only a feeling on basis of shape and
faience.
> >
> > The first LP ushabti Wa-ibra-sa-Neith looks fine, but I
wonder were
> I have seen this before.
> >
> > The TIP is fake, wrong faience, shape, glyph's, etc.
> >
> > The last LP is impressive but has all the characteristics
of the new
> fakes with the burned structure. These are old Sadigh fakes
reworked.
> The glyph's between the hand are not very common and I
can't give
> thumbs up.
> >
> > Sorry for the bad news.
> >
> > Can you tell us were you bought these artefact's?
> >
> > Carpe diem,
> > Dik
> >
> >
> > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > Van: Niek De Haan
> > Aan: ancienartifacts@...
> > Ontvangen: maandag 3 maart 2008 22:16
> > Onderwerp: RE: [Ancientartifacts] Collection of Ushabtis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have problems with the authenticity of more than one i
am afraid,
> the first to "female figurines" do not look like anything i
have seen
> published before and appear tourist fakes to me.
> >
> > Third one looks genuine, Late Period (Beard, back pillar,
incised
> glyphs et cetera), for Wa-ib-ra (mery sa?)
> >
> > Fourth, fake too, supposedly Tip period but shape is
wrong, faience
> too and the glyphs.
> >
> > Fifth piece i am not sure of, Late Period style, glyphs
okay, shape
> okay, faience okay for as far as cs be seen on the photos,
benefit of
> the doubt. Dik what is your view?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Niek
> >
> > www.shabticollections.com
> >
> >
> > To: Ancientartifactsyahoogroups. cm
> > From: ankauf@
> > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 06:18:31 +0000
> > Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Collection of Ushabtis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi group,
> >
> > I would like to present 3 Ushabtis and 2 female figurines
to you and
> > hope to receive some help in assigning an Egyptian period
to them.
> >
> > Find them here:
> > http://www.thegreatcollection. de/ushabtis/
> >
> > Can someone help and point out characteristic features of
the
> > pieces that help to place them in a timeline and maybe
tell something
> > about their use?
> > The painted Ushabti for example. Might it be a priest or
a guardian?
> >
> > Has anyone an idea about the female figurines?
> > They could be goddesses or concubines. I can't find a
hint to what
> > they were used for. The fact that they are not depicted
very> erotically does ot support the concubine thesis. What about the
long
> > arms? Have "normal people" been portrayed like that when
long armed
> > statues were a fashion in Egypt?
> >
> > Also, I am not sure about authenticity of one of the
figurines. Maybe
> > someone of you has got the same feeling :-)
> >
> > I appreciate any help I will get and hope to stir up some
discussion :-)
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >
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