Re: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Indus valley civilization Iron Laddle ,1800- 2300 B.C


 Dear Mr. Blair,

                       Thanks for your valuable message.I would like to repeat that the Reply I Posted  previously was correct and to the point assuming that You are aware of Iron being casted by cire perdue method (presently called Investment casting).I didnt feel it necessary to mention that Iron was used to cast using that method for more than 2 pieces of casting.I felt it was know to everyone.But However, In my message addressed to Mr. Robert Kokotailo, Pl refere to the reference that I have made.It clearly mentions the Use of Iron and Iron made artefacts ranging from small to big size used during and before 2000B.C .I would also show you more ancient scriptures proving the fact.

                      I Think if Mr. Kokotailo read "Shiv Puran" he would find numerous examples of Iron and Iron artefacts ranging from Utensils to Arms and Armour of highest quality made during those days.If I remember Robert has read Those scriptures and was interested in it.as mentioned in one of his emails.

                          I do not blame Mr. Kenneth Blair for his explanation of Iron artefacts not made in India during 2000 B.C, because you are a Modern Person and speak what has been taught to you by the so called Touts of World History. Ancient India had Technologies in those days which were of the highest Kind.Some were known to only a small circle and some to all in common.But Modernism and Newton and Darwin Theories replaced those Ancient knowledge and Indians in their lust for white skin just repeated what the West taught.Today even India is foremost in Technology but it is way backward in comparison to Ancient India.some of the Rare technologies have become extinct and are unaware of .West has never known it nor has even thought of some technolgy in their dreams.For them Newton is God and his theory are the end of their Science world.But Newton just translated the Ancient Indian Theory of "Gurutvakarshan" in English and became a Hero.Whereas Foolish Indians looked at him with much wonder and never considered their Own Ancient technology as Pride.Above that, their are ways to be free from "Atmospheric pressure":. Newtons Discovery.but surely not the first discovery.

 

          Mr kenneth means to say that Stone and Metal dont go side by side in the same period.Good point.But I would not contradict him rather say that India is a fast growing country,but there are people within the country, Bhils, in Dang,Gujarat, India who live in the aboriginal way using stone chisels and wearing leaves made clothings.The place is just beside the Heavy Engineering zone manufacturing Gear Boxes and goods and also Indias Biggest Textile and Cloth Manufacturing Industry, Surat. How would you explain this.

           Assam in Eastern India has oil refineries, but people living in vicinity are wearing tribal cloths and using stone chisels and axe till today.do you believe me, if not visit it personally and say that It is wrong.

 

               The area where least technology has touched, is andaman Nicobar Island.The local tribal people do not speak,they have their own language yet not decoded by Brilliant scientists and do not wear any clothng, but just remain Nude living in families and eating  Fruits from trees as only means of livelihood.No arrow, no Chisel, just stones to break nuts.People think them as dumb, and Indians being smart think they are very advanced .But the same Advanced educated Modern Indians were drowned in the ocean during the Tsunami, which they never were able to predetermine nor Their advanced technology like ships, or helicoptors or medical science save them.Thousands perished in the sea.But it came to knowledge after research that those aboriginals from Andaman Nicobar Islands living without houses, got an Idea about the Tsunami before it struck and ran uphill and stayed there till the waters subsided.NONE  of Those were Dead in the Ravaging SEA.But still are considered  Technologically Backward.

             So never think that Stone chisels and electric drills cant be found side by side.It is possible in the Same period, forget about Transitional Periods.

 

          My Dear Friend, What I replied till now was about the fact that Iron and Iron artefacts were prevalent in India during and before 2000 B.C.But regarding the Iron Laddle, I had no provenance apart from the Collector from whose collection I acquired.Secondly I use his Records to say that It belonged to Indus valley civilization, I do not  by myself just speak it to be belonging to Indus Valley.But I do think that you do your own research to show that Iron didnt prevail during 2000 B.C in India.In that case you should challenge the Mechanical Research Institute and many other Institutes and Individuals who say that Iron was prevalent in India before 2000 B.C.Are you ready for doing that.

 

 

               I suggest you think if  relying on independent thoughts and confirming is possible to prove that Iron didnt exist in India during that period.I too like Wiki and refering to wiki because many Group members refer it as a proof within many examples of Roman artefacts to be correct.If you dont believe in Wiki How did Group members prove those Artefacts to be Real or fake.Secondly I have refered to the National Conference papers, by Mech Eng Insitute, Durgapur. I hope that is not and independent Thought.

 

             Still if you have any queries pl dont hesitate to contact me on Group message or in private.

                 

Regards,

 

Nirav.

 

 Further Reference to Iron In Ancient India.

 

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