Re: [SPAM]Re: [Ancientartifacts] Indus valley civilization Iron Laddle ,1800- 2300 B.C

Dear Nirav
 
First at all, please convey my greetings to your grandmother.
I am very pleased to know that she is again well.
 
If hammeredforged, the bottom of the bowl should be more corroded that the rest, because is where there would be more stress (more hammering).
But still, iron is a very reactive metal that reacts with water.
Unless it was found in the same area were the Asoka pillar is, I am very suspicious about iron items (I collect minerals. Iron as metal (terrestrial, not meteorites, I mean) is only found in a couple or perhaps three places.That gives an idea of reactivity....)
 
I read also your link
It deals with copper/bronze casting.
That is somehow different than iron casting.
 
A radiography of the item would give more ideas about how it has been made and possibilities.....
 
For provenance, it seems it has a very good one. But unfortunately, even in major collections (and museums), there are found from time to time fakes (there is a book , "And the lie becomes great", that is very inspiring (or better, causing a big disespearing...)
 
With best wishes
 
Lluís
 
 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:09 AM
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [Ancientartifacts] Indus valley civilization Iron Laddle ,1800- 2300 B.C

 

 

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Dear Friends,

 

                       I apologize for the delay in reply to your messages.I was at the hospital as my Grandmother was admitted to the Hospital for past few days. I just came back home after she was well and back home.

 

                      As I said previously I had collected from a Collectors son and since The Collector was Genuine I take it as genuine piece.However,I requested all Members to shed their views and expert comments on the same for me to assure that it is the same.Thanks to all members for their expert comments.

 

                     As far as corrosion is concerned,I feel this is corroded.Even the Shallow Bowl portion has become thin due to corrosion that could only be felt when hold in Hand.The portion of Bowl connected to the Long handle is thicker, wheras other portion of the Bowl have corroded and become thin in comparision to the bowl near the handle portin.

                

  Secondly I am not much aware of how it has been made ,but what I could notice and assure from what is seen that it is not welded.because there are no signs of welding.I have also attached pics of the portion of handle and bowl joint, it doesnt seem to me as welded, and there is not rough portion if welded.

 

                  Thirdly , I read in a message that There was No casting method in the period of Indus valley civilization belonging to mature harappan period 1800- 2300 B.C.I would like to request you to pl refer

Metallurgy and Jewellery section in http://tinyurl.com/f9jyx

 

               I request you to kindly go through this reference and pl reply me if  casting was prevalent in India during that time.

 

             As mentioned in the above reference, Indus valley civilization at Lothal included a method of cire perdue method of Casting and used more than one piece of moulds to make the item.


            There is a sign of an "Asterisk"  like symbol on the surface of the handle and some script on the rear side of handle.I am not able to decode the script or even read it properly but the asterisk is visible .

 

                Pl find the attached pics and Feel free to contact me for further details and clarifications.

 

               Least but not last, Thanks to all Group Members for sharing their views and comments on this Piece of Ancient Art.

 

Regards,

 

Nirav

www.trocadero.com/AsianAntiques

91-9898341199

--- On Sat, 3/15/08, Lluís Mendieta <lomendi@telefonica.net> wrote:

From: Lluís Mendieta <lomendi@telefonica.net>
Subject: Re: [Ancientartifacts] Indus valley civilization Iron Laddle ,1800- 2300 B.C
To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 15, 2008, 3:37 PM

Dear Nirav, Group
 
Well, I have also my concerns about the lack of corrossion of iron in this piece.
Compare with any iron sword from Luristan, as an example, and they are usually pretty corroded.
 
Other members are far experter than I, but I see it as a cast one. To cast iron is not easy. Any example of a so long and thin piece?
 
With best wishes
 
Lluís 
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