Thanks for the clarification.
I don't know the details of Bron's early warning system but I agree
that anything which could possibly prevent fakes from being
circulated must be a good thing. One concern would be that lists
of "bad" dealers or mass-produced fakes can be used to the crooks'
advantage... i.e. what's to stop someone claiming an item must be
genuine because it does not appear on a list of fakes? And if a
seller of fakes has not yet appeared on the rogue's list, could this
in some way legitimise their offerings, especially in a rapid-
turnover environment such as Fleabay?
I'm sure the indefatigable Bron has a solution!
The Good Dealer List seems excellent, its a shame objects can not be
classified in the same way on a wide scale. Its interesting to see
that a couple of high-profile names who (deservedly) do not appear on
the list have sparked a few concerned emails and hopefully saved a
few collectors from being stung: great stuff.
Cheers,
Rolf
--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "tuppennyblue" <tim@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Rolf
>
> I was referring to one specific London gallery: sorry if my
inappropriate capitalisation and pluralisation was misleading! The
gallery is definitely a respected, legitimate ADA member. As Bron
says, he has refunded, so has behaved entirely honourably.
>
> Bron's idea of an early warning system for dealers is an excellent
one, and to make it available to collectors is even better.
>
> Tim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rolf5568
> To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:12 AM
> Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Opinions please
>
>
> Hi Ramon,
>
> If you buy an item from an ADA member which is later considered
> questionable and the dealer is not able to resolve the problem or
> disputes your assessment, you have the benefit of being able to
ask
> the ADA to make an independent arbitration on the matter. This
means
> that the item will be assessed by the ADA's governing committee
> (which includes several of the world's leading dealers) and they
will
> provide an opinion based on their combined knowledge or from
further
> investigation if required. If the seller's description was found
to
> be inaccurate, then that dealer would be asked to conclude the
matter
> in a way that would ensure the satisfaction of the buyer and the
> reputation of the association.
>
> See: http://www.theada.co.uk/code.htm
>
> Tim mentioned some questionable shabtis sold by London Galleries
> (capitalised) - there is no ADA member trading as London
Galleries
> listed on the ADA website. If you meant galleries in the general
> sense, then sorry for being pedantic ;-)
> If a dealer claims to be an ADA member but is not listed on
>
www.theada.co.uk I would strongly recommend avoiding them
completely.
> If they are prepared to lie about association memberships they're
> probably also prepared to lie about their stock. I would also
advise
> any potential buyer to apply caution on any website which claims
> to "abide by the code of conduct" of the ADA: this is a
nonsensical
> statement unless you are bound by it (i.e. a member) and means
> absolutely nothing. This is sometimes stated in good intention by
non-
> members but it can also be used to mislead buyers and imply some
sort
> of safety net on purchases.
>
> If you find a dealer/ebay listing/website claiming to be a member
of
> the ADA and can not find them on the ADA website please report
the
> details to the ADA secretary (details on www.theada.co.uk) or
myself
> at www.heliosgallery.com
>
> Cheers,
> Rolf
> PS My answer to Ramon's question is my own understanding of the
ADA
> rules based on my long-standing membership, but please ask the
> association directly if you would like an exact clarification.
>
> --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "Ramon Jr"
<rsdeheredia@>
> wrote:
> >
> > How does the Antique Dealers Association act when this type
> > of situation occurs.
> > Ramon Saenz de Heredia
> > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "tuppennyblue" <tim@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ...and again to add that some of these fakes are VERY
DANGEROUS,
> > being unwittingly sold by ADA member London Galleries and
bought by
> > highly experienced collectors. I strongly recommend studying
the
> > pictures and learning the types.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Dik van Bommel
> > > To: ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:44 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Ancientartifacts] Opinions please
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ushabtis are fake, see Bron's site for more info about
PadiIset
> > http://www.collector-antiquities.com/230/
> > > carpe diem,
> > > dik
> > >
> > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > > Van: sam rezoski
> > > Aan: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> > > Ontvangen: dinsdag 22 april 2008 19:39
> > > Onderwerp: Re: [Ancientartifacts] Opinions please
> > >
> > > shabtis look " not uthentic"
> > > lamp too but good price as a reproduction
> > > I dont know what boat it is ? it looks very strang
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ramon Jr <rsdeheredia@> wrote:
> > > Pics no good.Sorry.
> > > Padi...... shabtis
> > > 310042683381
> > > 310042683463
> > > SYRO HITTITE BOAT
> > > 310042683954
> > > oil lamp
> > > 310031328080
> > > The buyer really liked it
> > > Beautiful addition to my collection--thanks! magnus_j (
> 231)
> > Apr-19-08
> > > 12:01
> > > ANCIENT ANTIQUITY ROMAN OIL LAMP WITH SATYR FACE
> > (#310031328080) GBP
> > > 35.00 View Item
> > > Ramon Saenz de Heredia
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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