This is perfect, a complaint about items, photos for us all to see and an explanation, this means I, as a newbie can learn and know what to look out for!!
Thanks heaps
Kelly thomas
To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
From: MEHinshaw@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 01:45:05 +0000
Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: peru
I've included photos of the fake Moche blackware item from Jorge
Lanas in the photo group, Fake Perularedo.
The second photo of the dog shows where the black pigment around the
neck weld came off when I tried to wash away the dirt with water.
Imagine, buried nerly 2000 years and the pigment comes off with tap
water. Also note the head and the body have different surface
textures with the head being rougher and more porous with a matte
finish.
The third photo is a close up of the side. Instead of seeing a
pattern of random cuts, all cuts are parallel and of the same depth.
This is a good indication that the surface has been artificially aged
by mechanical means. Also note that the black finish in the grooves
and the edges of the grooves are in pristine condition. Considering
the extreme wear on the surface, this would be unlikely.
I examined the entire surface and couldn't find a single mineral
deposit. I did see a lot of applied dirt, but none in the small
cracks and cavities, as would be tyical of authentic items.
I'm a little embarassed that it took so long to determine that this
item was a modern reproduction. When I tried to contact Jorge, I
discovered that his website was down, so I did a google search for
Jorge Lanas + Laredo and much to my surprise I found an article
indicating that Jorge had been indicted for smuggling items into the
US, how ironic. Maybe they were not all fakes?
Again, I am not a Trocadero member, nor have I been in communication
with any of its members. My Perularedo experience consists of two
ebay purchases, both of which were fakes.
Mike
--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "perularedo"com
<perularedo@...> wrote:
>
> By the way, blackware do not get its color due to painting. The
> color is obtain by "smoking" the vessel. So even if you sumerge
the
> vessel in paint thinner it will not peel.
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
> --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "orchid527" <MEHinshaw@>com
> wrote:
> >
> > Jorge, You sold me a fake Moche blackware vessel. The black
paint
> > came off when I put it in water. Are you offering to refund my
> > money? Regarding Trocadero, I've never purchased anything from
> > Trocadero and I'm not friends with any of the members. My only
> > agenda would be to save some poor sucker from from buying your
fake
> > items and, although it is extremely unlikely, to get my money
> back.
> > You are too funny, calling me a mean spirited person. You have
> > cheated so many people. You must not understand the concept of
> Karma.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , perularedo coquitocom
> > <perularedo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > It sad to see a person using air to back up his comments.
You
> > are doing it to protect somebody or a group. Just come clean and
> we
> > can talk. You are a mean spirited individual with a hidden
> agenda.
> > My record is clean and I can prove it, not like you. It is about
> > time people like you, envious of success, stop bitering. Shame
on
> > you !!
> > >
> > > Jorge
> > >
> > > orchid527 <MEHinshaw@> wrote:
> > > I would like to comment on items for sale by
> Perularedo.
> > I have
> > > purchased two of his ebay items and they were both fakes. One I
> > > caught in time and returned for a refund. I didn't know the
other
> > > was fake until I put it in water and the black paint came off
> where
> > > the molded head had been added to the body of the vessel. I
then
> > > examined it under a microscope and it was abundantly clear it
was
> > > modern. Jorge Lanas's feedback comes mostly from the metal
racks
> he
> > > sold and not from the precolumbian items. I do know that I wish
I
> > > could retract the positive feedback that I gave him. In the
> months
> > > before his arrest, it was very sad to see people bidding on his
> > items
> > > and not being able to warn them because of ebays new policies.
> > These
> > > people lost tens of thousands of dollars. These things I say
are
> > all
> > > true and are documented, but I do not know if his actions are
> > because
> > > he is a crook or just an ignorant reseller. In either case he
> > > belongs in the Hall of Shame for fake sellers.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "perularedo"com
> > > <perularedo@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bob,
> > > >
> > > > You are full of it !!!
> > > >
> > > > I have 1,235 positive feedbacks, many returned customers and
> only
> > 3
> > > > negative. One is from a purchase and the other two from the
> > > > Trocadero maffia. Your are definitively not to trust. I broke
> all
> > > > records in eBay and will never be a better Peruvian Pre
> Columbian
> > > > seller like me there. The quality and pricing was superb and
> kick
> > > > everybodie's butt, specially those Trocaderos bad boys.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "ancientguy59"com
> > > > <pooter59@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Gwenfrewi,
> > > > > First let me say I'm not an expert - just a collector who
has
> > > been
> > > > > duped in the past and is trying to learn. With that said, I
> > > looked
> > > > > at the item and my first impression was the paint looks too
> new
> > > to
> > > > > be the age stated - especially the earlier of 50 BC. I hope
> the
> > > > pros
> > > > > will correct me if I'm wrong. Also, if you read through a
few
> > > pages
> > > > > of the sellers feedback you will find a few dissatisfied
> buyers
> > > who
> > > > > say they have recieved fakes from this seller, along with
> > various
> > > > > other complaints about him - too many in too short of a
time
> > for
> > > my
> > > > > liking. Personally, I wouldn't trust this seller a bit. I
> hope
> > a
> > > > few
> > > > > of the experts reply.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "Gwenfrewi Cardon"com
> > > > > <gwenfrewi.cardon@t...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anybody know this seller "perularedo",ebay
> 7335528395.The
> > > > > items
> > > > > look ok,but private bidding.
> > > > > > Thanks in advance,G.Cardon
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --------------------- --------- ---
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> > Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
> > >
> >
>
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