I have removed the seal from the listing.
Expert agreed not a boat figure. And evidently would be from a later
period as you said--but still would have to be scoped to know for
certain.
The listing will be revised this and if necessary I will return
it--based on a couple queries. But if you look closely, one can still
see vestiges of paint. Seems this would be the case if it were a
modern carving of ancient wood.
I want to do the right thing--but not over-correct. Certainly a large
majority of items are in a gray area where trained experts and less
can disagree on photos--especially when it can be done on the internet
and where competitive juices could be flowing--and other dynamics are
involved.
Suffice it to say that I am re-evaluating the items brought to my
attention and will act responsibly as I hope others will on this forum
in general.
Also the trident was purchased from a German dealer--obviously it is
small and iron and he represented it as Roman. Assumed some votive
type because of size and late Roman or early Byz. If not Roman which
culture? I will correct it.
Some criticism to the listings--will keep a tighter rein on
descriptions and details--correct errors asap time permitting.
R
-- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "Bron" <mnestic2001@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Robert,
>
> I'm afraid that we on this group are so much used to "mens rea" in
> the matter of sellers of fakes on eBay that we do not regularly
> contact such sellers as we used to.
> We generally only received abuse in response to reasonably polite
> interventions anyway.
>
> That said, I personally feel we should ensure that we contact new
> sellers before they get put on a blacklist.
>
> Again, personally, I have not thought that you were intentionally
> deceiving anyone.
> More to the point, you have been deceived!
>
> About the pieces you mention in this message:
>
> The wooden Egyptian piece is not Old Kingdom, it's possibly Middle
> Kingdom.
> It's not likely to be a boat figure either. In fact I'd say
> categorically that it's not.
> Despite the wood looking reasonably ancient it is a dubious piece for
> many reasons.
> I have seen more fake Egyptian wooden figures on the market than
> pieces I thought genuine!
>
> The "Geometric Bull" I also thought dubious.
> It's possible, but����
> Would need to examine it in hand.
> The pics are not adequate to adjudge.
>
> The urn needs close inspection.
> I doubt it very much.
>
> The seals are not ancient.
> I don't care where they came from: they are not ancient.
>
> Have a look at this fairly new information forum.
> http://www.ancientartifakes.net
>
> You may find it useful.
>
> In closing, I would like to reiterate that I have not thought you
> trying to deceive, but more so deceived yourself!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bron.
>
>
>
> --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "cato90025" <cato90025@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am somewhat in an unfair position. I will respond to a few of
> your
> > comments. Egyptian Piece at one time was part of Windsor Gallery's
> > collection of NYC--so I believe it is good--you can verify if so
> > disposed.\\
> >
> > If you have problems with the Geometric bull--than I really think
> you
> > are reaching. And from the Lombard estate.
> >
> > In fact I believe Ancientgas saw it in person and thought it very
> well
> > could be Geometric otherwise Luristan and I stand by it. Could you
> be
> > more specific about your doubts.
> >
> > Bronze URN bought from a national dealer--high level of
> > confidence--more precisely would be Hellenistic.
> >
> > The seals were a gift from from another attorney friend of mind who
> > has an extensive collection.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rather than respond to every posting if someone has a real
> > problem--please email me and I will act accordingly. I am a
> collector
> > first--as with the Rolexes--and list overflow items of mine and a a
> > friend or two.
> >
> > Email me at Robert1@
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "Bron" <mnestic2001@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Well, the two black supposed Roman intaglios are seemingly from
> the
> > > same factory and not Roman.
> > >
> > > The metal "Greek Urn" is perfectly ridiculous.
> > >
> > > The Egyptin figure and the so called Geometric bronze are rather
> > > unlikely.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bron.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "Ernie Krumbein"
> > > <Passtoant@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good morning to all members of Ancient Artifacts.
> > > > Because of pending pressure from a Mr. Robert James Walpole,
> aka
> > > Cato90025 on ebay, a Los Angeles attorney, I have removed his
> name
> > > from the subject list pending further proof of his selling of
> fake
> > > antiquities.
> > > > The amended list is attached sans Cato90025.
> > > > Thank you.
> > > > Ernie Krumbein
> > > > Passage to Antiquity
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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