the Afghanistan bunny.
Ramon Saenz de
Heredia
In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "danigre25" <danigre25@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Reading your long message, I am astounded to see you comparing
> Artemission to Sadigh and Eftis. I am sure all of us in this group
who
> have purchased items and dealt with Artemission know they are more
> serious than what you mentioned.
>
> I am and have been very impressed by their site and items and anyone
> of us who knows about antiquities knows they are very serious.
>
> Sorry to disagree with your comments, you might have personal reason
> to do so, but I think it is not very apropriate.
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "rolf5568"
> <heliosgallery@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, the people who told me that this was the wrong place for a
> > constructive debate on modern collecting were right. Its a pity
that
> > the intelligent comments and criticisms which have been made by
some
> > members are utterly obliterated and therefore wasted by the
> > irrelevant rants of others. I thought that this debate could be
> > inclusive so that the broadest possible range of collectors,
dealers
> > and academics could be heard but this has sadly proven impossible
> > here.
> >
> > A change in attitude to collecting is not something alien or
> > ethereal, its already happening, and anyone unwilling or unable
to
> > understand it will simply be left behind, put out of business or
see
> > their collection devalued over the coming decades.
> >
> > I have no interest in upholding the interests of the dealers or
> > collectors who are not willing to address the impact of illicit
> > excavation, and it seems that many of these short-sighted
dinosaurs
> > who will trade in smuggled/stolen/illicit antiquities are to be
found
> > here. As I've said before, this was an idea intended to set broad-
> > based standards which people can then apply or ignore as they
wish;
> > life's too short to explain the many reasons again and if some
> > members are too simple to understand self-preservation I suggest
they
> > visit a library and ask for a copy of The Origin Of Species.
> >
> >
> > If you want ten-dollar-artifacts which have been illegally
exported
> > (stolen) then you can shop at Steve M.'s place: the stuff looks
both
> > genuine and cheap. If smuggling, theft and fakes are not a
> > consideration in your collection I'd recommend you shop at
> > Artemission, Eftis, Sadigh & 100's of other low-life scum set-ups
> > spouted by the internet and ebay. Just don't claim to give a hoot
> > about culture and don't expect to be able to sell the stuff in 10
or
> > 20 years time.
> >
> > Without action from the collecting/trading community our shared
> > interests will become the subject of further legislation, of that
> > there is no doubt to anyone who bothers to read up on the subject
and
> > the idea of clinging to the "status quo" is optimistic if not
> > downright absurd. As an ADA member and "white elitist" with a
> > advantageous educational background including a degree in
archaeology
> > I may just get a dealing license in the new system... but if I
do, I
> > won't be buying anything without a provenance and nor will anyone
> > else. Go figure....
> >
> > Please, try to make sense of a set of responsible guidelines with
an
> > agreed balance or the matter will simply be taken out of your
hands.
> > That's democracy in action, so let's not bark about civil
liberties!
> >
> > Rolf
> >
>
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