[Ancientartifacts] Re: Guidelines for responsible collecting

Hi

Reading your long message, I am astounded to see you comparing
Artemission to Sadigh and Eftis. I am sure all of us in this group who
have purchased items and dealt with Artemission know they are more
serious than what you mentioned.

I am and have been very impressed by their site and items and anyone
of us who knows about antiquities knows they are very serious.

Sorry to disagree with your comments, you might have personal reason
to do so, but I think it is not very apropriate.

Daniel

--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "rolf5568"
<heliosgallery@...> wrote:
>
> Well, the people who told me that this was the wrong place for a
> constructive debate on modern collecting were right. Its a pity that
> the intelligent comments and criticisms which have been made by some
> members are utterly obliterated and therefore wasted by the
> irrelevant rants of others. I thought that this debate could be
> inclusive so that the broadest possible range of collectors, dealers
> and academics could be heard but this has sadly proven impossible
> here.
>
> A change in attitude to collecting is not something alien or
> ethereal, its already happening, and anyone unwilling or unable to
> understand it will simply be left behind, put out of business or see
> their collection devalued over the coming decades.
>
> I have no interest in upholding the interests of the dealers or
> collectors who are not willing to address the impact of illicit
> excavation, and it seems that many of these short-sighted dinosaurs
> who will trade in smuggled/stolen/illicit antiquities are to be found
> here. As I've said before, this was an idea intended to set broad-
> based standards which people can then apply or ignore as they wish;
> life's too short to explain the many reasons again and if some
> members are too simple to understand self-preservation I suggest they
> visit a library and ask for a copy of The Origin Of Species.
>
>
> If you want ten-dollar-artifacts which have been illegally exported
> (stolen) then you can shop at Steve M.'s place: the stuff looks both
> genuine and cheap. If smuggling, theft and fakes are not a
> consideration in your collection I'd recommend you shop at
> Artemission, Eftis, Sadigh & 100's of other low-life scum set-ups
> spouted by the internet and ebay. Just don't claim to give a hoot
> about culture and don't expect to be able to sell the stuff in 10 or
> 20 years time.
>
> Without action from the collecting/trading community our shared
> interests will become the subject of further legislation, of that
> there is no doubt to anyone who bothers to read up on the subject and
> the idea of clinging to the "status quo" is optimistic if not
> downright absurd. As an ADA member and "white elitist" with a
> advantageous educational background including a degree in archaeology
> I may just get a dealing license in the new system... but if I do, I
> won't be buying anything without a provenance and nor will anyone
> else. Go figure....
>
> Please, try to make sense of a set of responsible guidelines with an
> agreed balance or the matter will simply be taken out of your hands.
> That's democracy in action, so let's not bark about civil liberties!
>
> Rolf
>

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