[Ancientartifacts] Re: re ebay seller ancientgifts and others

Thank you Chris.As already discussed even experts or museums make
mistakes. That is what I, and others , call the accidental fake.
I collect coins and I have seen fakes from good sellers in eBay
( Ancient Auction House for example), the best auction houses
(Gorny,Harlan J. Berk and others),and Vcoins (recently I exposed one
in this group.)
None of them is in the blacklist.Sellers of fakes also may also sell
authentic .That is what I call the accidental authentic.Please let me
know from which dealers, subsequently included in list of sellers of
fakes, you have bought authentic. If they have only sold the
accidental fake they will get out of blacklist.
Ramon Saenz de Heredia
PS.You will see this afternoon that my pathology is getting
better.With circa 300 sellers of fakes in the list,selling
thousands of fakes it's not easy to go fake by fake .There is another
problem.They do learn and can improve their fakes.

--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "chris simons"
<chris.egyptmania@...> wrote:
> Hi Ramon Jr
> I was just really trying to say I have bought items from dealers
> subsequently were put on list of sellers of fakes and the items I
> bought have been genuine!!! I am sure many dealers in the group have
> unknowingly sold a item that was a fake. Thank you Chris
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Ramon Jr
> Date: 03/06/2008 08:05:12
> To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: re ebay seller ancientgifts and
> Hi Chris Simons.Please let me know what sellers do you think should
> not be in the blacklist.byblosantiques,tyre-art,hermescrafts etc ?
> I am still waiting for an answer on the percentage of fakes this
> crooks are selling
> Ramon Saenz de Heredia
> BTW. --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "chris simons"
> <chris.egyptmania@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> > Hi Arend agree with you to a point some of the members are
> For
> > example Tim-shabtis, Ernie - all Egyptian items Rolf- all
> items and
> > a lot more dealers who really know there artifacts, but I do feel
> that some
> > are being as you say pathologically shouting fake, I learn a lot
> from this
> > group but some times my head spins at what is good and what
> the
> > danger here is by accusing a seller of dealing in fakes you are
> some
> > cases depriving dealers of earning money, I still maintain there
> are grey
> > areas where a seller may not be aware that they are selling a
> fake. Chris
> > From: Arend Bosscher
> > Date: 01/06/2008 23:10:08
> > To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ancientartifacts] re ebay seller ancientgifts
> >
> > Hi,
> > Reading the mail exchange in Ancientartifacts now for the past
> days I am
> > getting convinced that most contributors are pathologically
> inclined to call
> > everything --FAKE-- No one bothers to specify what makes them
> so; not
> > even when repeatedly invited to do so. I have decided to further
> ignore this
> > bunch of self-declared experts though I will continue reading
> comments
> > as they are, sometimes at least, quite hilarious. You for one
> proved my
> > point.
> > Arend Bosscher.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: "fiddle01@" <fiddle01@>
> > To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2008 9:51:39 PM
> > Subject: [Ancientartifacts] re ebay seller ancientgifts
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Just a quick message as a follow up to my dealings with the ebay
> > seller ancientgifts. Now a few months ago I purchased a roman
> > intaglio from this seller and was delighted with the product
> I
> > read some of the poor reviews that the guy has been getting of
> late.
> > I decided to get a second opinion of the intaglio from one of my
> > fellows on this site, and was natrualy slightly peeved to find
> > the opoinion was, that the item is fake.
> >
> > Well I feel I must let you all know that since then I have taken
> the
> > intaglio to a national roman museaum and it has been examined by
> the
> > expert in such items and just come back to me as totally genuine.
> > feel that it is worth mentioning this as it would seem our freind
> > from Ancientgifts is getting an awful lot of bad press, now I
> wonder
> > if it is all justified?
> >
> > One thing I can tell you is that when I had firstly found the
> > was maybe fake? I did contact ancient gifts, and he was
> > adamant that it is genuine. I recieved pages of mail and info
> > the guy..in the end he offered full money back if I was still not
> > satisfied. What was really impressive is that the expert at the
> > museaum came up with the same date and iconography as the seller,
> > have not just jumped to a conclusion here I have done my own
> research.
> >
> > Happy Hunting
> >
> > Kit
> >


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