Re: [Ancientartifacts] New seller of fakes

Hi Sandy
 
The situation with 'Roman Rings' is somewhat different.  Some are authentically Roman, others are not what we would call 'Roman' in the West but are more Byzantine.  Don't forget though that most of these pieces of 'Roman' bronze come from Eastern Europe where the 'Roman' period continued until 1453 AD when Byzantium fell to the Ottomans - by this definitition, most of the common 'Roman Rings' could be said to be authentic. 
 
If you are interested in collecting in this subject area then you will need to spend some time looking at books and in museums finding out about the fashions prevailing in different centuries in order to date them.  It's also worth mentioning that the Roman's wore rings both above and below the knuckle - so the often seen tiny rings are not children's ring but simply made to be worn on the upper part of the finger.
 
There are outright fakes as well, but they do tend to be the more eye catching pieces - silver, gold, unusual designs, bearing an intaglio etc. 
 
I think it's fair to say that you stand less chance of buying an outright fake Roman Ring on ebay than a fake shabti!
 
Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy ott
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Ancientartifacts] New seller of fakes

Hi,

 

Thanks so much for the info.  I have always wondered about these on ebay.  I figured mine was a fake.  I see that seller also has ancient roman rings.....I guess they are fake as well.  Its so hard buying things over the internet.

 

Take care,

 

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: tuppennyblue <tim@pennyblack.org.uk>
To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:48:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ancientartifacts] New seller of fakes

Hi Sandy
 
The short answer is from plenty of experience and seeing these on sale in tourist bazaars in Egypt many times! 
 
In more depth, real shabtis don't have holes through the side of the head like this, and also beware of shabtis with high detail and incised glyphs on the front and no detail on the back: cheap fakes are easily made simply by pushing a shabti into a piece of clay and removing it to make a mould for many more.
 
Tim
 
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy ott
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ancientartifacts] New seller of fakes

How do you know they are fakes??  I bought into one of these not that long ago and I am sure its fake too.  But how can you tell?

 

Sandy



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To: Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:47:07 AM
Subject: [Ancientartifacts] New seller of fakes

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