I find this discussion interesting, as I have some Blanchard scarabs
in my personal holdings and certainly will attest to their
authenticity.
I wonder if your/Dr. Raven's assertion might only apply to certain
types of material, like shabtis?
Are there any documented disputes of other material that anyone here
knows about?
With regards,
Phil Jones, Antiquarian
PBJI
--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, Niek De Haan
<niekandelvis@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> They were selling with official license from cairo museum and also
from their finds for decades, this must be many thousands of pieces.
Blanchard certificate remains a good provenance but does not provide
any guarantee for its authenticity imho in view of the comments of
dr. raven.
>
> Cheers,
> Niek
>
> www.shabticollections.com
>
>
> To: Ancientartifacts@...: tim@...: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:02:57
+0000Subject: Re: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Collection of Ushabtis
>
> Hi Niek
>
> I was just curious, I have seen a few items from Blanchard's and
all have seemed okay. I have a shabti on a wooden block with a
Blanchard's label on the base and a silver necklace with three
scarabs and a Blanchard's COA/receipt and I'm happy enough with those.
>
> Tim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Niek De Haan
> To: ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:06 AM
> Subject: RE: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Collection of Ushabtis
>
>
> Hi, No, no specific examples, just from various sources, including
Dr. Raven of Leiden museum, i understood that it widely known that
they did sell fakes, whether this even were shabtis i am not sure
although this seems likely. Nevertheless i guess we would immediately
spot their fake shabtis if any. Cheers,Niek www.shabticollections.com
>
>
> To: Ancientartifacts@...: tim@...: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:24:29
+0000Subject: Re: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Collection of Ushabtis
>
>
>
> Do you know of specific examples of fakes sold by Blanchard's, Niek?
>
> The earliest known fake shabti was bequeathed by Archbishop Laud to
the Bodleian Library at Oxford University in 1635 and now resides in
the Ashmolean Museum:
>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ancientartifacts/photos/view/1789?
b=1&m=f&o=0
>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ancientartifacts/photos/view/1789?
b=2&m=f&o=0
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Niek De Haan
> To: ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Collection of Ushabtis
>
>
> Hi Matthias, Tourist fakes have been in Egypt since the 1920's.
Even the famous Blanchards has been selling fakes in the 1920 even
though he was an authorised dealer for the cairo museum. I stick with
my previous view. i recommend that you show the shabtis to a local
museum for confirmation and then a possible refund for the likely
fake pieces. Cheers,Niek www.shabticollections.com
>
>
> To: Ancientartifacts@...: ankauf@...: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:34:20
+0000Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Collection of Ushabtis
>
>
> Hi, first of all, thanks for the answers. Finally, I come up with
somemore information on the figures and hope to hear your opinion
again. All Figures have originally been acquired in the 1970ies. I
can beabsolutely sure about this. The person I have the pieces from
has beencollecting artefacts for some decades. So the pieces won't be
boughtdirectly at a tourist market in Egypt. 1. Figurinedon't know
where bought. Described as dancer and "Concubine du mort"2.
Figurinedon't know where bought. Described as "Concubine du
mort"Dated 745-332 BC3. Figurinebought from auctionhouse Ruef in
munich in the 70ies. Described as "Uachib - Re"4. Figurinebought from
auctionhouse Ruef in munich in the 70ies. Dated ca. 700 v.Chr.5.
Figurinedon't know where bought and have no further description.
regardsMatthias--- In Ancentartifacts@..., "Dik van
Bommel"<dikencis@> wrote:>> > Hi Matthias,> > I have big doubts too,
don't know enough about the female figures sothat they are wrong is
only a feeling on basis of shape and faience.> > The first LP ushabti
Wa-ibra-sa-Neith looks fine, but I wonder wereI have seen this
before.> > The TIP is fake, wrong faience, shape, glyph's, etc.> >
The last LP is impressive but has all the characteristics of the
newfakes with the burned structure. These are old Sadigh fakes
reworked.The glyph's between the hand are not very common and I can't
givethumbs up.> > Sorry for the bad news.> > Can you tell us were you
bought these artefact's?> > Carpe diem,> Dik> > > -----
Oorspronkelijk bericht -----> Van: Niek De Haan> Aan:
ancienartifacts@...> Ontvangen: maandag 3 maart 2008 22:16>
Onderwerp: RE: [Ancientartifacts] Collection of Ushabtis> > > > >
Hi,> > I have problems with the authenticity of more than one i am
afraid,the first to "female figurines" do not look like anything i
have seenpublished before and appear tourist fakes to me.> > Third
one looks genuine, Late Period (Beard, back pillar, incisedglyphs et
cetera), for Wa-ib-ra (mery sa?)> > Fourth, fake too, supposedly Tip
period but shape is wrong, faiencetoo and the glyphs.> > Fifth piece
i am not sure of, Late Period style, glyphs okay, shapeokay, faience
okay for as far as cs be seen on the photos, benefit ofthe doubt. Dik
what is your view?> > Cheers,> Niek> > www.shabticollections.com> > >
To: Ancientartifactsyahoogroups.cm> From: ankauf@> Date: Mon, 3 Mar
2008 06:18:31 +0000> Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Collection of
Ushabtis> > > > > Hi group, > > I would like to present 3 Ushabtis
and 2 female figurines to you and> hope to receive some help in
assigning an Egyptian period to them. > > Find them here: >
http://www.thegreatcollection.de/ushabtis/> > Can someone help and
point out characteristic features of the> pieces that help to place
them in a timeline and maybe tell something> about their use? > The
painted Ushabti for example. Might it be a priest or a guardian? > >
Has anyone an idea about the female figurines? > They could be
goddesses or concubines. I can't find a hint to what> they were used
for. The fact that they are not depicted very> erotically does ot
support the concubine thesis. What about the long> arms? Have "normal
people" been portrayed like that when long armed> statues were a
fashion in Egypt? > > Also, I am not sure about authenticity of one
of the figurines. Maybe> someone of you has got the same feeling :-)>
> I appreciate any help I will get and hope to stir up some
discussion :-)> Matthias> > > > Blijf onderweg online met Windows
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