i have never collected antiquities, i just sell minor pieces as a
sideline. i occasionally get something that i find exciting but it
passes quickly; mostly i just tag them and sell them (theoretically)
i care about fakes only in that i don't want to sell something bad
unwittingly to a buyer. beyond that, i am totally free market and i
love the wild west nature of ebay. there are still a few people like
myself that understand and can deal with free enterprise and its good
and bad consequences. I would love to see an internet auction with
low fees, no reserves, no rules, no interference, just free
competition. ebay is, or was, as close as it gets.
--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, Gary Jensen <gjkmt1946@...>
wrote:
>
> Steve,
> I certainly understand how you feel about the complications of
collecting antiquities. It is not for the faint of heart! I gave up
collecting several years ago and only recently regained some
interest. 99% of my pieces have come from "reliable" sellers but I
know there are bad pieces staring at me out of the cabinets. I have
been trying to identify the questionable items with as many opinions
as I can get. One fake is one fake too many!!! Many on this site
probably feel the same as I.
>
The only advice I can give is to buy from dealers who are
honest ALL the time, get second opinions, and remember that honest
people do occasionaly make mistakes!!!!
> This site is still a great resource for both novices and
experienced collectors as well.
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Steve <maximusopinionus@...>
> To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 6:38:39 AM
> Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Trocadero? sunnytampa
>
> --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve Minor"
<relicdigar@ ...> wrote:
> >Hi Steve / Group.
> I think I am now ready for the Abide With Me.. Home For The
Bewildered.. ..
> The list you send is the new list I downloaded from the group last
weekend..
> The Seller I mentioned is antiquarica .. I have now perused this
Blacklist umpteen times
> but I cannot see him mentioned.. As I didn't see him mentioned on
this latest list I
> placed my winning bid yesterday..
> I can see the sunnytampa that you spoke about in your earlier
posting but I thought you
> had mean't that Tampa was a hotbed of fakers.. and seeing that
antiquarica' s address is
> Tampa it rang my internal alarm bell.
> You say you do not understand why he is on a Blacklist as most of
his stuff is better than
> the other blacklist stuff ???? But I thought the idea of the
Blacklist was to highlight the
> Fakers, not Sellers whose fakes are better than other Sellers
fakes..
> I am not usually this 'thick' but somewhere along the line I have
totally lost the thread of
> this discussion..
> Guess I should get rid of the Antiquities and just sit here playing
with the buttons on my
> Cardigan.... ...... lol.
> Regards Steve S
> > he is on this one. I never understood why because most of his
stuff
> > seems to be a bit better than most of the b lacklist stuff.
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Ancientart ifacts/message/ 41117
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve"
> > <maximusopinionus@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Steve & Group.
> > > As a Newbie I do try and follow the advice given.. My eBay
> > purchases have fallen
> > > dramatically and I seem to be spending more time following
links
> > posted on this group
> > > both to view fakes and 'guaranteed' items.I also have the
latest
> > Fakers List (many thanks
> > > Ramon) which has also helped steer me clear of potential
trouble.
> > Due to past advice I
> > > tend to look on Trocadero as being a lot safer than eBay but
with
> > this latest discussion I
> > > now feel as 'unsafe' as I do on eBay. Last night I purchased a
coin
> > from a Seller called
> > > Antiquarica who has 4000 feedback and gives a long term money
back
> > guarantee as to
> > > authenticity. . Now in this latest message Steve, you mention
Sunny
> > Tampa .. where
> > > antiquarica hails from.. and this Seller is NOT on the
Blacklist..
> > Now I am standing here
> > > not knowing if I am on my 'head or my elbow'. HELP !!
> > > Regards Steve S..--- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups.
com, "Steve
> > Minor"
> > > <relicdigar@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I decided to do a quick, highly scientific survey of
Trocadero.I
> > > > searched for phallic, Roman, and Viking and somewhat randomly
> > chose a
> > > > page and object and these are the jewels I found:
> > > >
> > http://www.trocader o.com/02016/ item502016store.
html#itemfaganar ms/item
> > > > s/745125/item745125 store.html# item
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.trocader o.com/glitzqueen /items/502016/
item502016store. html#
> > > > item
> > > >
> > > > http://www.trocader o.com/archeology /items/754472/
item754472. html
> > > >
> > > > The Fagan arms Viking iron items sure do look like the same
iron
> > I
> > > > get from Bulgaria and Germany and I certainly don't call it
> > Viking.
> > > > I also see Sunny Tampa on Trocadero. You all can bet on 95%
of
> > the
> > > > merch on here being real; I will not. Go search "fibula"
> > or "phallic"
> > > > and show me the 95% real ones on there.
> > > >
> > > > The only protection against buying fakes is to know the
material
> > or
> > > > have a first person relationship with a dealer that
guarantees
> > the
> > > > merchandise. If you depend on a third person entity, like the
> > > > Trocadero management or eBay's Safe Harbor, you are in a very
> > weak
> > > > position.
> > > >
> > > > And to continously say that 90 - 95% of the antiquities on
eBay
> > are
> > > > fake is just ridiculous. At this point in time, at least 99%
look
> > > > fake to me.
> > > >
> > > > I will be doing the photobucket thing again in a couple of
weeks.
> > > > Hopefully about 125 items if I have the energy. I have a few
> > hundred
> > > > pieces of insignia to get posted and then I will turn my
> > attention to
> > > > the artifacts again.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Brett" <mavebc@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > First of all D_ _ _ - I ain't your "son" - Second - I sell
on
> > both
> > > > > and I know the difference.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve Minor"
> > > > > <relicdigar@ > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Son,
> > > > > > I bet I have much more of a clue than you.
> > > > > > I have been a member of Trocadero a couple of times and
on
> > ebay
> > > > > since
> > > > > > the first year. Misrepresentations are common all over
> > Trocadero
> > > > as
> > > > > > they are anywhere eles but go ahead and jump on something
> > just
> > > > > > because it posted there. good luck.
> > > > > > SGM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Brett"
<mavebc@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To compare Trocadero and ebay means you have no clue.
Where
> > > > > > probably
> > > > > > > upwards of 80% of ebay items can be fake or
reproduction,
> > 95%
> > > > of
> > > > > > > trocadero is a safe bet.
> > > > > > > Brett
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve
Minor"
> > > > > > > <relicdigar@ > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Trocadero is no safer than any other site. There are
a
> > lot of
> > > > > > > > Trocadero dealers on here that will vouch for
Trocadero
> > but
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > as much misreresentation on there in the categories I
am
> > > > > familiar
> > > > > > > > with as on eBay or antwhere else.
> > > > > > > > I have reported obvious fakes to the site and never
got
> > an
> > > > > answer
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > result.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "niuboy08"
> > > > <niuboy08@>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm newer to collecting, and I recently discovered
> > > > > Trocadero.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > thaught that it would be a more reliable site
online in
> > > > > finding
> > > > > > > > > authentic pieces than that of ebay. And, I noticed
> > one
> > > > item
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > been classified as fake from collector-antiquiti
es.com
> > and
> > > > I
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > wondering if Trocadero polices itself, or if its
more
> > or
> > > > less
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > ebay?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Here is the link to the item:
> > http://tinyurl. com/2fgdlc
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > and to the collector-antiquite s page with the same
item
> > (I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > same picture): http://www.collecto r-
> > antiquities. com/353/
> > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl. com/28l9at
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Albert
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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