I love the west west nature of ebay also. However, the virtual nature of this internet also allows one to "hide" behind the screen and so the nature of free enterprise is not the quite the same. I would think that it is easier to sell a fake on ebay than it is to sell the same fake at the flea market. Likewise, flame wars are easier to start without truly having anything at risk.
The logical extension of this sort of free enterprise would then be see no evil.. I can sell anything! And to this I would comment: Caveat Emptor!
sincerely,
wesley
Steve Minor <relicdigar@yahoo.com> wrote:
hi,
i have never collected antiquities, i just sell minor pieces as a
sideline. i occasionally get something that i find exciting but it
passes quickly; mostly i just tag them and sell them (theoretically)
i care about fakes only in that i don't want to sell something bad
unwittingly to a buyer. beyond that, i am totally free market and i
love the wild west nature of ebay. there are still a few people like
myself that understand and can deal with free enterprise and its good
and bad consequences. I would love to see an internet auction with
low fees, no reserves, no rules, no interference, just free
competition. ebay is, or was, as close as it gets.
--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , Gary Jensen <gjkmt1946@.com ..>
wrote:
>
> Steve,
> I certainly understand how you feel about the complications of
collecting antiquities. It is not for the faint of heart! I gave up
collecting several years ago and only recently regained some
interest. 99% of my pieces have come from "reliable" sellers but I
know there are bad pieces staring at me out of the cabinets. I have
been trying to identify the questionable items with as many opinions
as I can get. One fake is one fake too many!!! Many on this site
probably feel the same as I.
>
The only advice I can give is to buy from dealers who are
honest ALL the time, get second opinions, and remember that honest
people do occasionaly make mistakes!!!!
> This site is still a great resource for both novices and
experienced collectors as well.
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Steve <maximusopinionus@...>
> To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 6:38:39 AM
> Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Trocadero? sunnytampa
>
> --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve Minor"
<relicdigar@ ...> wrote:
> >Hi Steve / Group.
> I think I am now ready for the Abide With Me.. Home For The
Bewildered.. ..
> The list you send is the new list I downloaded from the group last
weekend..
> The Seller I mentioned is antiquarica .. I have now perused this
Blacklist umpteen times
> but I cannot see him mentioned.. As I didn't see him mentioned on
this latest list I
> placed my winning bid yesterday..
> I can see the sunnytampa that you spoke about in your earlier
posting but I thought you
> had mean't that Tampa was a hotbed of fakers.. and seeing that
antiquarica' s address is
> Tampa it rang my internal alarm bell.
> You say you do not understand why he is on a Blacklist as most of
his stuff is better than
> the other blacklist stuff ???? But I thought the idea of the
Blacklist was to highlight the
> Fakers, not Sellers whose fakes are better than other Sellers
fakes..
> I am not usually this 'thick' but somewhere along the line I have
totally lost the thread of
> this discussion..
> Guess I should get rid of the Antiquities and just sit here playing
with the buttons on my
> Cardigan.... ...... lol.
> Regards Steve S
> > he is on this one. I never understood why because most of his
stuff
> > seems to be a bit better than most of the b lacklist stuff.
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Ancientart ifacts/message/ 41117
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve"
> > <maximusopinionus@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Steve & Group.
> > > As a Newbie I do try and follow the advice given.. My eBay
> > purchases have fallen
> > > dramatically and I seem to be spending more time following
links
> > posted on this group
> > > both to view fakes and 'guaranteed' items.I also have the
latest
> > Fakers List (many thanks
> > > Ramon) which has also helped steer me clear of potential
trouble.
> > Due to past advice I
> > > tend to look on Trocadero as being a lot safer than eBay but
with
> > this latest discussion I
> > > now feel as 'unsafe' as I do on eBay. Last night I purchased a
coin
> > from a Seller called
> > > Antiquarica who has 4000 feedback and gives a long term money
back
> > guarantee as to
> > > authenticity. . Now in this latest message Steve, you mention
Sunny
> > Tampa .. where
> > > antiquarica hails from.. and this Seller is NOT on the
Blacklist..
> > Now I am standing here
> > > not knowing if I am on my 'head or my elbow'. HELP !!
> > > Regards Steve S..--- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups.
com, "Steve
> > Minor"
> > > <relicdigar@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I decided to do a quick, highly scientific survey of
Trocadero.I
> > > > searched for phallic, Roman, and Viking and somewhat randomly
> > chose a
> > > > page and object and these are the jewels I found:
> > > >
> > http://www.trocader o.com/02016/ item502016store.
html#itemfaganar ms/item
> > > > s/745125/item745125 store.html# item
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.trocader o.com/glitzqueen /items/502016/
item502016store. html#
> > > > item
> > > >
> > > > http://www.trocader o.com/archeology /items/754472/
item754472. html
> > > >
> > > > The Fagan arms Viking iron items sure do look like the same
iron
> > I
> > > > get from Bulgaria and Germany and I certainly don't call it
> > Viking.
> > > > I also see Sunny Tampa on Trocadero. You all can bet on 95%
of
> > the
> > > > merch on here being real; I will not. Go search "fibula"
> > or "phallic"
> > > > and show me the 95% real ones on there.
> > > >
> > > > The only protection against buying fakes is to know the
material
> > or
> > > > have a first person relationship with a dealer that
guarantees
> > the
> > > > merchandise. If you depend on a third person entity, like the
> > > > Trocadero management or eBay's Safe Harbor, you are in a very
> > weak
> > > > position.
> > > >
> > > > And to continously say that 90 - 95% of the antiquities on
eBay
> > are
> > > > fake is just ridiculous. At this point in time, at least 99%
look
> > > > fake to me.
> > > >
> > > > I will be doing the photobucket thing again in a couple of
weeks.
> > > > Hopefully about 125 items if I have the energy. I have a few
> > hundred
> > > > pieces of insignia to get posted and then I will turn my
> > attention to
> > > > the artifacts again.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Brett" <mavebc@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > First of all D_ _ _ - I ain't your "son" - Second - I sell
on
> > both
> > > > > and I know the difference.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve Minor"
> > > > > <relicdigar@ > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Son,
> > > > > > I bet I have much more of a clue than you.
> > > > > > I have been a member of Trocadero a couple of times and
on
> > ebay
> > > > > since
> > > > > > the first year. Misrepresentations are common all over
> > Trocadero
> > > > as
> > > > > > they are anywhere eles but go ahead and jump on something
> > just
> > > > > > because it posted there. good luck.
> > > > > > SGM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Brett"
<mavebc@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To compare Trocadero and ebay means you have no clue.
Where
> > > > > > probably
> > > > > > > upwards of 80% of ebay items can be fake or
reproduction,
> > 95%
> > > > of
> > > > > > > trocadero is a safe bet.
> > > > > > > Brett
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve
Minor"
> > > > > > > <relicdigar@ > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Trocadero is no safer than any other site. There are
a
> > lot of
> > > > > > > > Trocadero dealers on here that will vouch for
Trocadero
> > but
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > as much misreresentation on there in the categories I
am
> > > > > familiar
> > > > > > > > with as on eBay or antwhere else.
> > > > > > > > I have reported obvious fakes to the site and never
got
> > an
> > > > > answer
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > result.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "niuboy08"
> > > > <niuboy08@>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm newer to collecting, and I recently discovered
> > > > > Trocadero.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > thaught that it would be a more reliable site
online in
> > > > > finding
> > > > > > > > > authentic pieces than that of ebay. And, I noticed
> > one
> > > > item
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > been classified as fake from collector-antiquiti
es.com
> > and
> > > > I
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > wondering if Trocadero polices itself, or if its
more
> > or
> > > > less
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > ebay?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Here is the link to the item:
> > http://tinyurl. com/2fgdlc
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > and to the collector-antiquite s page with the same
item
> > (I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > same picture): http://www.collecto r-
> > antiquities. com/353/
> > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl. com/28l9at
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Albert
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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