Steve,
I certainly understand how you feel about the complications of collecting antiquities. It is not for the faint of heart! I gave up collecting several years ago and only recently regained some interest. 99% of my pieces have come from "reliable" sellers but I know there are bad pieces staring at me out of the cabinets. I have been trying to identify the questionable items with as many opinions as I can get. One fake is one fake too many!!! Many on this site probably feel the same as I.
The only advice I can give is to buy from dealers who are honest ALL the time, get second opinions, and remember that honest people do occasionaly make mistakes!!!!
This site is still a great resource for both novices and experienced collectors as well.
Gary
From: Steve <maximusopinionus@btinternet.com>
To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 6:38:39 AM
Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Trocadero? sunnytampa
--- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve Minor" <relicdigar@ ...> wrote:
>Hi Steve / Group.
I think I am now ready for the Abide With Me.. Home For The Bewildered.. ..
The list you send is the new list I downloaded from the group last weekend..
The Seller I mentioned is antiquarica .. I have now perused this Blacklist umpteen times
but I cannot see him mentioned.. As I didn't see him mentioned on this latest list I
placed my winning bid yesterday..
I can see the sunnytampa that you spoke about in your earlier posting but I thought you
had mean't that Tampa was a hotbed of fakers.. and seeing that antiquarica' s address is
Tampa it rang my internal alarm bell.
You say you do not understand why he is on a Blacklist as most of his stuff is better than
the other blacklist stuff ???? But I thought the idea of the Blacklist was to highlight the
Fakers, not Sellers whose fakes are better than other Sellers fakes..
I am not usually this 'thick' but somewhere along the line I have totally lost the thread of
this discussion..
Guess I should get rid of the Antiquities and just sit here playing with the buttons on my
Cardigan.... ...... lol.
Regards Steve S
> he is on this one. I never understood why because most of his stuff
> seems to be a bit better than most of the b lacklist stuff.
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Ancientart ifacts/message/ 41117
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> --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve"
> <maximusopinionus@ > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve & Group.
> > As a Newbie I do try and follow the advice given.. My eBay
> purchases have fallen
> > dramatically and I seem to be spending more time following links
> posted on this group
> > both to view fakes and 'guaranteed' items.I also have the latest
> Fakers List (many thanks
> > Ramon) which has also helped steer me clear of potential trouble.
> Due to past advice I
> > tend to look on Trocadero as being a lot safer than eBay but with
> this latest discussion I
> > now feel as 'unsafe' as I do on eBay. Last night I purchased a coin
> from a Seller called
> > Antiquarica who has 4000 feedback and gives a long term money back
> guarantee as to
> > authenticity. . Now in this latest message Steve, you mention Sunny
> Tampa .. where
> > antiquarica hails from.. and this Seller is NOT on the Blacklist..
> Now I am standing here
> > not knowing if I am on my 'head or my elbow'. HELP !!
> > Regards Steve S..--- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve
> Minor"
> > <relicdigar@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > I decided to do a quick, highly scientific survey of Trocadero.I
> > > searched for phallic, Roman, and Viking and somewhat randomly
> chose a
> > > page and object and these are the jewels I found:
> > >
> http://www.trocader o.com/02016/ item502016store. html#itemfaganar ms/item
> > > s/745125/item745125 store.html# item
> > >
> > >
> http://www.trocader o.com/glitzqueen /items/502016/ item502016store. html#
> > > item
> > >
> > > http://www.trocader o.com/archeology /items/754472/ item754472. html
> > >
> > > The Fagan arms Viking iron items sure do look like the same iron
> I
> > > get from Bulgaria and Germany and I certainly don't call it
> Viking.
> > > I also see Sunny Tampa on Trocadero. You all can bet on 95% of
> the
> > > merch on here being real; I will not. Go search "fibula"
> or "phallic"
> > > and show me the 95% real ones on there.
> > >
> > > The only protection against buying fakes is to know the material
> or
> > > have a first person relationship with a dealer that guarantees
> the
> > > merchandise. If you depend on a third person entity, like the
> > > Trocadero management or eBay's Safe Harbor, you are in a very
> weak
> > > position.
> > >
> > > And to continously say that 90 - 95% of the antiquities on eBay
> are
> > > fake is just ridiculous. At this point in time, at least 99% look
> > > fake to me.
> > >
> > > I will be doing the photobucket thing again in a couple of weeks.
> > > Hopefully about 125 items if I have the energy. I have a few
> hundred
> > > pieces of insignia to get posted and then I will turn my
> attention to
> > > the artifacts again.
> > >
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> > >
> > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Brett" <mavebc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > First of all D_ _ _ - I ain't your "son" - Second - I sell on
> both
> > > > and I know the difference.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve Minor"
> > > > <relicdigar@ > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Son,
> > > > > I bet I have much more of a clue than you.
> > > > > I have been a member of Trocadero a couple of times and on
> ebay
> > > > since
> > > > > the first year. Misrepresentations are common all over
> Trocadero
> > > as
> > > > > they are anywhere eles but go ahead and jump on something
> just
> > > > > because it posted there. good luck.
> > > > > SGM
> > > > >
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> > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Brett" <mavebc@>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To compare Trocadero and ebay means you have no clue. Where
> > > > > probably
> > > > > > upwards of 80% of ebay items can be fake or reproduction,
> 95%
> > > of
> > > > > > trocadero is a safe bet.
> > > > > > Brett
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve Minor"
> > > > > > <relicdigar@ > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trocadero is no safer than any other site. There are a
> lot of
> > > > > > > Trocadero dealers on here that will vouch for Trocadero
> but
> > > > there
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > as much misreresentation on there in the categories I am
> > > > familiar
> > > > > > > with as on eBay or antwhere else.
> > > > > > > I have reported obvious fakes to the site and never got
> an
> > > > answer
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > result.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "niuboy08"
> > > <niuboy08@>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm newer to collecting, and I recently discovered
> > > > Trocadero.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > thaught that it would be a more reliable site online in
> > > > finding
> > > > > > > > authentic pieces than that of ebay. And, I noticed
> one
> > > item
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > been classified as fake from collector-antiquiti es.com
> and
> > > I
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > > wondering if Trocadero polices itself, or if its more
> or
> > > less
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > ebay?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here is the link to the item:
> http://tinyurl. com/2fgdlc
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and to the collector-antiquite s page with the same item
> (I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > same picture): http://www.collecto r-
> antiquities. com/353/
> > > > > > > > http://tinyurl. com/28l9at
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Albert
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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