__._,_.___----- Original Message -----From: Steve MinorSent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:08 PMSubject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Trocadero?That is dangerously broad advice to give the new collectors that come
here for advice. Trocadero is full of fakes in every category. Just
go search for "Roman brooch" and see what you get. Or "Roman glass."
It is always the dealer and only the dealer that matters; never the
site. Every site depends on fees or commissions and will go for the
income everytime. (vcoins is a rare exception but there are problems
even there.)
New collectors need to research the material and the dealers and not
depend on a site owner to protect their investment.
--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "tuppennyblue" <tim@...>com
wrote:
>
> Let's not argue about percentages... In a nutshell... if you buy
on eBay with no knowledge and no discretion you will almost
certainly get stung. If you apply the same criteria and buy on
Trocadero you will probably be okay.
>
> Tim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve
> To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:18 AM
> Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: Trocadero?
>
>
> Hi Steve & Group.
> As a Newbie I do try and follow the advice given.. My eBay
purchases have fallen
> dramatically and I seem to be spending more time following links
posted on this group
> both to view fakes and 'guaranteed' items.I also have the latest
Fakers List (many thanks
> Ramon) which has also helped steer me clear of potential trouble.
Due to past advice I
> tend to look on Trocadero as being a lot safer than eBay but with
this latest discussion I
> now feel as 'unsafe' as I do on eBay. Last night I purchased a
coin from a Seller called
> Antiquarica who has 4000 feedback and gives a long term money
back guarantee as to
> authenticity.. Now in this latest message Steve, you mention
Sunny Tampa .. where
> antiquarica hails from.. and this Seller is NOT on the
Blacklist.. Now I am standing here
> not knowing if I am on my 'head or my elbow'. HELP !!
> Regards Steve S..--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "Stevecom
Minor"
> <relicdigar@> wrote:
> >
> > I decided to do a quick, highly scientific survey of
Trocadero.I
> > searched for phallic, Roman, and Viking and somewhat randomly
chose a
> > page and object and these are the jewels I found:
> >
http://www.trocadero.com/02016/ item502016store. html#itemfaganar ms/item
> > s/745125/item745125store.html# item
> >
> >
http://www.trocadero.com/glitzqueen /items/502016/ item502016store. html#
> > item
> >
> > http://www.trocadero.com/archeology /items/754472/ item754472. html
> >
> > The Fagan arms Viking iron items sure do look like the same
iron I
> > get from Bulgaria and Germany and I certainly don't call it
Viking.
> > I also see Sunny Tampa on Trocadero. You all can bet on 95% of
the
> > merch on here being real; I will not. Go search "fibula"
or "phallic"
> > and show me the 95% real ones on there.
> >
> > The only protection against buying fakes is to know the
material or
> > have a first person relationship with a dealer that guarantees
the
> > merchandise. If you depend on a third person entity, like the
> > Trocadero management or eBay's Safe Harbor, you are in a very
weak
> > position.
> >
> > And to continously say that 90 - 95% of the antiquities on eBay
are
> > fake is just ridiculous. At this point in time, at least 99%
look
> > fake to me.
> >
> > I will be doing the photobucket thing again in a couple of
weeks.
> > Hopefully about 125 items if I have the energy. I have a few
hundred
> > pieces of insignia to get posted and then I will turn my
attention to
> > the artifacts again.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "Brett" <mavebc@>com
wrote:
> > >
> > > First of all D_ _ _ - I ain't your "son" - Second - I sell on
both
> > > and I know the difference.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "Steve Minor"com
> > > <relicdigar@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Son,
> > > > I bet I have much more of a clue than you.
> > > > I have been a member of Trocadero a couple of times and on
ebay
> > > since
> > > > the first year. Misrepresentations are common all over
Trocadero
> > as
> > > > they are anywhere eles but go ahead and jump on something
just
> > > > because it posted there. good luck.
> > > > SGM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "Brett" <mavebc@>com
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > To compare Trocadero and ebay means you have no clue.
Where
> > > > probably
> > > > > upwards of 80% of ebay items can be fake or reproduction,
95%
> > of
> > > > > trocadero is a safe bet.
> > > > > Brett
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "Steve Minor"com
> > > > > <relicdigar@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Trocadero is no safer than any other site. There are a
lot of
> > > > > > Trocadero dealers on here that will vouch for Trocadero
but
> > > there
> > > > > is
> > > > > > as much misreresentation on there in the categories I
am
> > > familiar
> > > > > > with as on eBay or antwhere else.
> > > > > > I have reported obvious fakes to the site and never got
an
> > > answer
> > > > > or
> > > > > > result.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups. , "niuboy08"com
> > <niuboy08@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm newer to collecting, and I recently discovered
> > > Trocadero.
> > > > I
> > > > > > > thaught that it would be a more reliable site online
in
> > > finding
> > > > > > > authentic pieces than that of ebay. And, I noticed
one
> > item
> > > > > which
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > > been classified as fake from collector-
antiquities.com and
> > I
> > > > was
> > > > > > > wondering if Trocadero polices itself, or if its more
or
> > less
> > > > > like
> > > > > > ebay?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is the link to the item:
http://tinyurl.com/2fgdlc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and to the collector-antiquites page with the same
item (I
> > > > think
> > > > > > even
> > > > > > > same picture): http://www.collector-
antiquities.com/353/
> > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/28l9at
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Albert
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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