Oddities are rare from the Late Ramesside period on. Shabtis were
mass-produced, and there was little room for innovations other than
fashionable trends, most commonly introduced by royal shabti gangs.
There are NK shabtis with headbands, but the *original* TIP seshed was
invented by the Lybian rulers. The shabtis of HPA Masaharta are the
first ones known to wear this headband.
The shabtis of king Tanutamen (25th dynasty) show back pillar or
pedestal. He ruled over Upper Egypt before the Assirians kicked him
out of Thebes. It seems these typical features of Saite ushabtis were
then adopted by the nobles under Psamtek's rule, but it was a long
process. As for the pick, it is not found in TIP shabtis -as a matter
of fact, early Saite period most commonly carry a couple of hoes.
The shabtis of Isetemkheb (Shabaka's daughter and, most likely,
Tanutamen's wife) are pretty interesting too. Her shabtis wear false
beard and the inscriptions are incised, something quite odd in TIP
shabtis.
As for polychrome shabtis older than the New Kingdom, they seem to be
exceptional and cannot be compared to NK polychrome shabtis. Certain
cache 2 pottery shabtis were painted using more than two colours, but
no more than that.
Cheers,
Miguel
--- In Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com, "tuppennyblue" <tim@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Dik / Niek
>
> Doesn't surprise me at all... As I said, it is difficult to
establish any hard and fast rules concerning shabtis! Shall we have a
go?
>
> Some suggestions:
>
> (1) Shabtis with a back pillar and / or pedestal date to no earlier
than the Late Period.
>
> (2) Shabtis carrying a pick and a hoe date to no earlier than the
Late Period.
>
> (3) Shabtis with a seched headband date to the Third Intermediate
period.
>
> (4) Shabtis without hands date to no later than the early New Kingdom.
>
> (5) Polychrome shabtis date to no later than the New Kingdom.
>
> Disputes and additions please!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dik van Bommel
> To: ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:35 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ancientartifacts] Hollow shabti: (was: Re: ANCIENT
ROMAN, GREEK, CELTIC & BYZANTINE COINS)
>
>
>
> Hi Niek, Tim,
>
> I think you are talking about different issues here. There are
some very rare shabti's with a hollow core (like the one in "Ouchebtis
de Deir El-Medineh"), but I don't know of any shabti's that are hollow
to the feet.
>
> Tim, is the shabti discussed here hollow to the feet???
>
> Carpe diem,
> Dik
>
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: Niek
> Aan: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> Ontvangen: donderdag 22 mei 2008 6:37
> Onderwerp: [Ancientartifacts] Hollow shabti: (was: Re: ANCIENT
ROMAN, GREEK, CELTIC BYZANTINE COINS)
> Hi Tim,
>
> You stated that hollow shabtis did not exist. Sorry for you
neck, but
> i am going to chop it off ;-). As always, in shabti world there are
> NO iron rules. Hollow shabtis did exist, see Ouchebtis de deir el
> Medineh, Valbelle, 1972, page 13!
>
> Cheers,
> Niek
>
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/8/08, tuppennyblue <tim@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: tuppennyblue <tim@>
> > Subject: Re: [Ancientartifacts] Re: ANCIENT ROMAN, GREEK,
> CELTIC & BYZANTINE COINS
> > To: Ancientartifacts@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, May 8, 2008, 5:43 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Gary
> >
> > Painted glyphs are certainly permissable on shabtis.
> They are more often found on earlier pieces. Plain and genuine
> shabtis from the Late and ptolemaic periods are sometimes
'enhanced'
> with fake 'painted' glyphs which are often applied with black
marker
> pen. Briefly, any eBay shabti that has both beard and painted
glyphs
> should be viewed with suspicion.
> >
> > Since shabtis were priduced in such large numbers over
> such an enormous period of time, it is difficult to make any hard
> and fast rules about them, but I I am prepared to stick my neck out
> and say that 'hollowness' is one of them. I am confident that I can
> safely say that you will never find a genuine hollow shabti. Can
> anyone prove me wrong, please?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gary Sara
> > To: Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ancientartifacts] Re: ANCIENT ROMAN,
> GREEK, CELTIC & BYZANTINE COINS
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Concerning Egyptian Ushabti's I have a question.
> If i find one for sale on e-bay, if there is some painted
> hyroglyphics on them, is it a sign it is a fake? Also if i find a
> larger (6") that is hollow inside, is that also a sign of a fake?
> >
> > Regards, Gary
> >
> > --- On Tue, 5/6/08, Ramon Jr <rsdeheredia@
> yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Ramon Jr <rsdeheredia@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [Ancientartifacts] Re: ANCIENT ROMAN,
> GREEK, CELTIC & BYZANTINE COINS
> > To: Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 6:45 AM
> >
> >
> > Hi Gary
> > For fake coins join the
> > CFDL.Coin forgery Discussion List
> > Ramon Saenz de Heredia
> > PS.There is a list of baddies ( quite a few of
> them can
> > be also found in this group files,About
> Forgeries.)
> > If my memory does not fail me,none of the
> buyers you mention
> > is in that list.But take a look just in case.
> >
> > In Ancientartifacts@ yahoogroups. com, "GARY"
> <saragary71@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Group,
> > > Most of my collections are in ancient coins.
> After reading some of
> > the
> > > messages here, it seems like there are
> sellers of fakes all over the
> > > place.
> > > It makes me wonder about my extensive coin
> collection. I know some
> > of
> > > the sellers to me are beyond reproach
> like "Amphoracoins" who is
> > run by
> > > Dave Hendin, whose books many people refer to
> as proof of what they
> > are.
> > > But I was wondering about some of the others
> I have bought from.
> > If you
> > > don't mind here is a partial list.
> If "anybody" has any
> > information on
> > > them, if they have the time, could you please
> give me any feedback
> > on
> > > what you think of them. Here is the List:
> > > Ancient Auction House, Frascatius,
> Antiquarica, Hermescoins1,
> > > Agoracoins, S*P*Q*R, Forum, Inclinatioroma,
> Orthodoxcoins,
> > > Rustyromans, Shoppin4me2, Elishacoins,
> Galeria2, Ancient
> > Treasures,
> > > Hagadorn coins, Windsorantiquties and Silenos
> Coins.
> > > Again,thank you for your past information to
> me.
> > > Sincerely, Gary
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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